So I bought these two for .10$ each as feeders for my turtles, but they were never eaten. I believe I bought them 3 years ago. They were minnow sized. They out grew the pond awhile ago, and I finally got the chance to bring them in. They were a lot bigger then I suspected. The red ice box I used to transfer them was 23", so that'll give you an idea of their size. They're about 16". They are a little ripped up from the turtles, but that will heal within the week. The big one said goodbye by splashing me when he was in the ice box, and when he was put in the new tank.