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The Bale Vale Tale

PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:20 pm
by apondfortimmy
bale : collective noun for a bunch of turtles
vale : a valley, often coursed by a stream
tale : a story

I would like to get the turtles back outside this year, and possibly just keep them there all year (with exceptions as they come up). Since our pool leaks, we're turning that into a greenhouse / garden area, and I'm getting the entire corner behind the pool.

Here it is, marked off by yarn.
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I weeded this morning.
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Here are the measurements:
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I figure I'll have two feet on all sides around the pond, except the very front, which would be one foot, and directly next to the pump area, because then it'll cut down on the amount of pipe I'll have to have.
There'll be an inlet along the straight side for the waterfall pump.
The deepest part will be right in front of the waterfall. I suppose it could be a half circle with a radius of three feet and a three foot depth. That right there would give me over 315 gallons at the calculation of
((( (pi)r2 ) / 2) x 3) x 7.48 (this is gallons per cubed foot))

The total surface area is 91.75sqft, which, even if I were to make it only one foot deep, that would equal (91x7.48) 680 gallons.
At a range of three feet to a few inches of depth, with a 90 sq ft surface area, I can easily pull off close to 1000 gallons. (It's actually over but I round down because I know how I am and I might not make it to the full three feet.)

The idea for the fence is to start with plywood and 2x4s at a height of two feet (with a foot underground), but I'd love to change it to an 18 inch tall planter where I can let my mint plants grow. I have to keep it simple at first though, because this is a lot of work. Get it done, get them out there, improve as necessary.

I have one regular pond pump, one UV filter pump, and I plan on making an external biofilter that'll handle the 1000 estimate.

The plan is to scrape the rocks off (and put them into the old pool, actually), dig the shape, get a 10x15 pond liner ($136, Lowe's), lay it all out, put stone and bricks all around it to hold it, then do the basking areas and pipes for the filters.

I want to do some grass around the edges, and there will definitely be dandelions planted. I was thinking flagstone for the places where they can come out to the land and bask (like ramps), but at almost $10 a piece (2'x1' piece, though), they are probably only going to have two basking ramps to the outside. The sides that aren't ramps will be soft (maybe grass) and built up with bricks so they can definitely slide back in without hurting their shells, but they won't be able to climb out that way. And bricks next to the waterfall too.

Once I sketch more, I'll post more pictures.
One thing I'm worried about is if I put grass out there, how will it stay watered? Maybe just from the mist from the waterfall or something.
Oh, and there'll be a sandy egg area. I suppose I'll just dig up the eggs when I see the sand disturbed. It might be way too hot in the sand for them to hatch anyway.

SHADE, I forgot the shade. I'll make sure there are some shady areas once I get it all set up.

Re: The Bale Vale Tale

PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 7:01 pm
by kerby
Wow great start i cant wait to follow the whole thing! PLZ PLZ PLZ document every thing!

Re: The Bale Vale Tale

PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:37 pm
by cutepanda86
Wow, that sounds awesome.

Re: The Bale Vale Tale

PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:06 am
by steve
Sounds great, can't wait to hear more.

Re: The Bale Vale Tale

PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:14 pm
by apondfortimmy
I had a weird question for some of the experts on here that I thought of today while I was out running around doing errands and not digging my pond.

What would I need to make sure I have in this thing to allow the turtles (maybe not all) to hibernate?

If I put in some cubbies in the deep part and made little nesting boxes, would that work? Like this:

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That little indent there would be a bricked and stabilized area covered in pond liner and filled with, like, sand or mud. (I was thinking sand for the pond bottom anyway.)
The water at three feet gets to be under 40 degrees but never freezing, and I'd have bubblers and the waterfall and all that to keep the oxygen levels up.

What do you guys think?

Re: The Bale Vale Tale

PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:51 pm
by kerby
I'm to scared to do hypernating I would ask vepa cray of Steve

Re: The Bale Vale Tale

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:47 am
by cutepanda86
I'm with kerby. Maybe Steve and Vepia Cray could be more helpful. I think it's an intriguing idea but I'm not confident about doing it myself.

Re: The Bale Vale Tale

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:48 pm
by apondfortimmy
Two and a half hours of shoveling and this is what I have.
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My helpers:
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SweetpeaNyrtle basking (taken through the blinds):
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I've lost the use of my fingers for any major things and when I was done I consumed close to 50g of protein due to a harsh craving.

That's a workout.

More to do tomorrow. :D

Re: The Bale Vale Tale

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:57 pm
by cutepanda86
Wow. Great work. :)

Re: The Bale Vale Tale

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:56 pm
by kerby
Nice!

Re: The Bale Vale Tale

PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:10 am
by steve
I don't know about a "cubbies" but deeper is better. How many turtles will go in here?

Re: The Bale Vale Tale

PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:25 am
by apondfortimmy
For the summer? 7-10.
For the winter? I'm not sure.

I might keep the Musketurts inside since they are the smallest(4-6 inches) but I'm still up in the air on that.

I could go five feet down if I got a backhoe digger thing.

Re: The Bale Vale Tale

PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:15 pm
by apondfortimmy
Sigh.

Slight change of plans.

Instead of digging down the entire depth I really want, I'm going to dig down as far as I can and then build the pond up to the depth I want. It'll mean a little more planning, but whatever, I'm out there doing it anyway, so.

Oh, and my cat's dying.

Here's yesterday's progress:
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I roped off the area of the pond (which has been made a little smaller, actually), and I had cleared most of the rest of the rocks.

Here's today's progress:
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Bricked the outline, and then I found a way to pull the sandstone pavers off the side of the pool, so I used those for a layout of the basking areas and the shallow areas. The basking areas are outside of the string, and the shallow areas are going to slope up to the basking areas.
I may have to mosaic those pavers with quickcrete or something and then put smoother tiles in between so it's not scratchy.

I mismeasured the pond liner idea so that's back to square one. I am thinking about putting up the planters as the outside wall of the pond, but then I'd have to also wall off the basking areas, so ... I'm not sure how that'll work.

Anyway, there's the update. I'm tired and I'm trying to clear out a spot between my palm trees for my cat. I didn't know I had five palm trees; we'd never cut them or trimmed them so the three big ones hid the two smaller ones. Now that it's all cut away, it looks pretty decent.

Re: The Bale Vale Tale

PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:57 pm
by cutepanda86
so sorry about your cat.

It looks like you've done a lot of good work though. :)

Re: The Bale Vale Tale

PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:37 am
by steve
Sorry to hear about your cat.

Are you saying that you can't use the pond liner anymore?