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I've been trying to look closely at the patterns on photo of cumberland sliders, and then I've been looking at the patterns on my two turtles. They are quite similar to both variations. (My turtles do have the red stripes on their heads).

Does anyone have any photographs of legitimate cumberland/red eared slider hybrids?

I've been wondering about the way Ty and Cane act, and I'm curious if the way they get along has anything to do with being hybrids or not. It's one of those things where you wanna know, but you don't. That'd make everything I've said about socializing them null and void at this point.

I'll post close up, clear photos of Ty and Cane eventually. Their patterns are very elaborate, and not as simply as RES usually are.

I have a "hybrid".....I was told he was a intergraded Cumberland & Red Ear Slider. If you go to the photo gallery & look under the 2 posts that say "Turtle Newbie needs help & Turtle Newbie update..." you can see pix of him.

I couldn't give you any info on anything else. We just recently got him & have absolutely no experience with turtles. Maybe you could help me out with some questions I just posted in the Feeding & Nutrition forum (under Turtle Newbie, of course!!)

I will say its possiable. Sliders have been so mixed up in breedings you very well could have that.

Or remember sliders all evolved from one basic form of slider and evolved into the other forms so in its dna somewhere its has the chance to look like its cousin and your turtle just happen to be born a little different and happen to look close to its cousin.

mspugh5298 wrote:I have a "hybrid".....I was told he was a intergraded Cumberland & Red Ear Slider. If you go to the photo gallery & look under the 2 posts that say "Turtle Newbie needs help & Turtle Newbie update..." you can see pix of him.

I couldn't give you any info on anything else. We just recently got him & have absolutely no experience with turtles. Maybe you could help me out with some questions I just posted in the Feeding & Nutrition forum (under Turtle Newbie, of course!!)

Both my turtles have markings similar to yours. The red ears are much, much redder though. I swear I'll post up pictures soon.

The yellow and green striping patterns are very elaborate on my turtles, like cumberlands, and some of the yellow stripes are Y shaped. They have way more circles on their bellies though. They've got that heart stripe just below an upsidedown Y under their chins, too.

I took this one tonight to keep track of his growth. Hope this helps.

The other posted pictures I mentioned will show a closer look at his head/neck/face.

I'd love to see pix when you get them loaded up. I'll be watching out for them, so I can see the comparisons.

All right, I got some photos of them. They don't particularly like this process, so, I got what I could get. I outlined some marks in my paint program, because they are hard to see otherwise...

Here is Hurricane's carapace:



Hurricane's plastron:



Hurricane's side. They both have these "elf shoe marks" which I haven't seen on other RES. The mark is the one outlined in red:



Typhoon's carapace. Look at how elaborate her markings are:



Typhoon's plastron. Not my preferred angle... Anyways, she only has four bullseye marks, and the rest of the marks don't have circles inside circles, if you get what I mean:



Typhoon's side. She's got that same elf shoe mark. Really makes me think they are siblings:



Typhoon's whole carapace and head. They both have a similar yellow line down the middle of their heads:



Also, from what I've seen in photos of cumberland/RES hybrids, these two both have red stripes that blend into a yellow. On purebred RES, I've never seen that.

I couldn't get photos of their heads, they wouldn't let me. I wish I could get photos of the bottoms of their feet, because they have some really unique markings there, too.

I hope these were clear enough!

Looks at least hybrid if not something different entirely. The carapace is sort of similar to RES, but nothing else is...

they're cuties though.

untsmurf wrote:Looks at least hybrid if not something different entirely. The carapace is sort of similar to RES, but nothing else is...

they're cuties though.

Thank you

Okay, good, I'm not crazy.

They definitely have RES in them, the red ears are a dead give away. The closest comparisons I've seen, are to cumberland sliders and map turtles. The question is, is it one of those, or both? They could very well be a second or third generation of a particular hybrid.

In the back of my mind, I've often thought about getting in touch with the breeder, but, the breeder might not even know he has bred hybrids if he in fact did. (Not that there is anything wrong with hybrids).

Okay I went photo searching, again, and found some photos of some map turtles:

Cagles map:



Mississippi map:



Pascagoula map:



And a Ouachita/RES hybrid:



Now, for some cumberland slider photos:







Look at the bellies and elf shoe marks on that last photo. I really leaning towards a cumberland/RES hybrid, any thoughts you guys?[/img]

The shell pattern also looks different and unique.. I like it~!

Azfar wrote:The shell pattern also looks different and unique.. I like it~!

lol all turtles are unique. the patters make them different and show their...turtle-ness i guess lol

hehee.. ya ya.. I just loves all turtles pattern and whatsoever extraordinary thing from them.. hehe

OMG LMAO THANK YOU THANK YOU.

You made me look at my sliders really hard. I just learned how to tell a cumberland from a normal res easy. Look at there legs theres a huge difference. More yellow then black, shell pattern is different.

I think i have 2 cumberlands cause male is for sure a cumberland maybe my female too cause were both bought from same place in florida. Lol i looked at his red ears closely for first time in my life and was like omg! It turns into yellow!

I will post pics comparing normal res to cumberland, now that i look its a huge difference. Im really excited now! this explains why he is not into fluttering hard core. Hes not a red eared slider!

*EDIT*

Okay forget the color of the legs thing. That is a male cumberland slider trait.

My guess on my turtles are they are res/cumberland hybrids. The male is a perfect cumberland but the red is just to bright on his ear maybe? idk lol.

Legs- You should see that the cumberland has more yellow. If you look up male cumberlands there front legs and body seem to be more yellow. Exspecially on front legs. Females do not get an increase in yellow looking over pics.

Res


Cumberland


The Head- when i go through pics of alot of people's res most dont have red ear going into a yellow strip but pretty many do even on here? This makes me think maybe they have some cumberland blood in them too.

Notice his lines on his face are all horizontal,

RES


Cumberland- i just think this is to bright for him to be a full cumberland


The Shell- This is by far ID trait here on ever pic of a cummberland slider, if you look at the yellow bars on res there pretty much strait and thick, usually ending before reaching the central scutes. Now the cumberland if you really look at all pics of them its a thin yellow bar line heads right into central scutes helping to make even more patterns. Also the lines are never really that straight and have many little lines running with them.

I used paint to show what i mean.

RES Shell


Cumberland Shell

Wow, Painteds, you are quite the detective!

Both my RES have like an equal amount of black and yellow on their legs. In any case, they do have the red stripes blending into yellow, and those super curvy yellow stripes on the carapace. They have those black blotches too.

I think it's official, I and you, have cumberland/RES hybrids.

It's so awesome ^___^

I think that does explain why they get along so well. I've heard often that hybrids are much calmer and less territorial than a regular RES.

I'm thrilled to find this out. They become so special and unique looking when they get to have patterns like this.