Other Turtle Discussion :: fluttering - i must clear up some things

[Diamondbacks4Life]

I have had my sliders held with musk, painteds and diamondbacks. Never have i seen any flutter at the other turtles or bother them.

My friend the one who has the huge fancy habitat has painteds, cooters, red bellied, sliders, spotted, and painted turtles all mixed together.

The slider only bothers the other sliders. Every species stick to bothering other species. The cooters were the only one that would go outside their own species. They liked to flutter at the red bellied.

[marisa]

I actually find that hard to believe as well...

[theartbook35]

I actually find that hard to believe as well...

She has had different species of different genuses living together with no issues for years and years, and you still find it hard to believe? Wow... I find it hard to believe that you find it hard to believe, LOL XD

Not that I'm trying to poke fun at you or anything, so don't misunderstand. I'm just a see it to believe it type, and both me and Painteds4life have no reason to make any of this up. We mention it because we care about turtle care just that much.

[marisa]

Who is "she"referring to?

I think it's fine that people cite their observations, but this does not make them "facts." I know of someone who keeps gravel with her turtles and has never had a problem, but I'm not going to tell people that because she does and nothing's happened it's OK to do so.

[LilTurtSquirt]

[Diamondbacks4Life]

I get your point, I really do. But, a RES isn't going to flutter at or even bite a diamondback terrapin simply because turtles of different genuses don't fight. This is a proven fact, ask Painteds4Life.

You cant say this is 100%.

Who is "she"referring to?

I think it's fine that people cite their observations, but this does not make them "facts."

I think that she was ment to be a he and it was directed at me. I would also say if enough people get the same observation it becomes a fact.

I would say that it is a fact that a red eared slider housed with a different species of turtle is much more likely to get along with it then another slider by good %

[theartbook35]

So if you have the room to house 2 turtles in 2 different tanks, then that would prob be the best way to go, but if you cant...well then you cant...

... which is why people should be responsible and actually be prepared for the possibility of fighting, BEFORE they bring more than one turtle home.

I'd just like to point out that the majority of the people on this forum bought their turtles without finding out basic care information before hand, because aside from this website, all that is out there is myths about turtles.

There are tons of people I talk to who think turtles breathe underwater, don't shed, think turtles grow to fit the size of their tank, think they should be in shallow water, and think they just need pellets and lettuce.

Many people automatically assume that turtles desire companionship as much as people. We can use this website to raise awareness about turtle care, but, people are going to do what they are going to do.

I did not buy our turtles Hurricane and Typhoon. My mother's ex-boyfriend, plus my mother, wanted turtles, and I was like, reptiles need more care than the furries so I asked them to wait, let me get good care information, and let me get a tank set up correctly with the right stuff before we got them. Two days later they came home with Hurricane and Typhoon. Granted, I am very happy to have them in my family, and I would not have these specific two turtles if things were done differently, but this is a perfect example of how people are going to do what they are going to do.

In the case of Sadie, we knew what we were getting into. Personally, it's less intimidating to me to have a larger turtle than a smaller one, because Hurricane and Typhoon won't be out of the woods until they get out of the hatchling stage. I watch them like a paranoid hawk. Aside from Sadie's eyes, at least I can leave the room and know she'll be fine.

So please, respect the members of this forum and think about who we are as turtle parents in more than one context. You may have had enough common sense to find out what you are getting into, but throwing that around at the 90% of people here who are not like you just makes you look arrogant, and a lot of people will dismiss what you say cause of that.

[theartbook35]

I get your point, I really do. But, a RES isn't going to flutter at or even bite a diamondback terrapin simply because turtles of different genuses don't fight. This is a proven fact, ask Painteds4Life.

You cant say this is 100%.

Who is "she"referring to?

I think it's fine that people cite their observations, but this does not make them "facts."

I think that she was ment to be a he and it was directed at me. I would also say if enough people get the same observation it becomes a fact.

I would say that it is a fact that a red eared slider housed with a different species of turtle is much more likely to get along with it then another slider by good %

I was referring to you, yeah, I have to get myself out of the habit calling you "she", cause you ain't a she. Maybe it's your username that makes me do that...

[LilTurtSquirt]

[marisa]

Painteds4life said:

"I would also say if enough people get the same observation it becomes a fact."

And what constitutes "enough people" in this case?

[Diamondbacks4Life]

Painteds4life said:

"I would also say if enough people get the same observation it becomes a fact."

And what constitutes "enough people" in this case?

For you to be happy how many must it be? Lets also take into account number a Res involved.
I will post on youtube this and other places:

For All Red Eared Slider Owners:
For those who own adult red eared slider(s), do you house them with any other species of turtle besides another type of slider? If yes. What species of turtle and have you ever seen it flutter at or bite at the other turtle? Please answer last question for each red eared slider you own due to the fact one might flutter but other RES dont.

Im gonna start a new topic on this strickly for data.

[roseK]

ok i think the point was missed.

YES some turtles can get along, if ur turtles get along great for you.

people suggest seperating because there is always a RISK associate with keeping turtles together, same as keeping other animals together. They wont always get along.

Whether the risk is small or great, SOME people rather not take that risk at all.

that is why they say seperate.

And just a statement on fact: just becaue the majority of people believe in something does not make it true. take for example galileo, he was killed because his opinion was against the paradigm, but he was infact the correct one.

[marisa]

Whether or not I'm happy isn't the issue; I was just questioning how people reporting the (lack of) behavior would be enough to make it a "fact." And would what is "enough" in this case be the same for other other behavior to be considered to be a "fact" as well?

When it comes to behavior and people's observations and perceptions, it can be difficult to talk about "facts."

[jozzep]

Sliders only attack sliders??!! LOLOLOL
I've heard it all.

[Diamondbacks4Life]

Whether or not I'm happy isn't the issue; I was just questioning how people reporting the (lack of) behavior would be enough to make it a "fact." And would what is "enough" in this case be the same for other other behavior to be considered to be a "fact" as well?

When it comes to behavior and people's observations and perceptions, it can be difficult to talk about "facts."

In 5 years i have read many topics on behavior, seen the same storys over and over. If you start seeing the same thing and over you can come to the conclusion that there has to be some fact to it. Lets say 100 people answer. 70say thier turtle attacks everything. 10said their turtle attacks nothing. 20said their turtles attack sliders but not other speices.

I can form a couple conclusions. Res are aggresive, there is a chance a turtle wont attack anything but a better chance the turtle can live with another species.

Let me ask you this. If someone on this forum came on and said im gonna buy another turtle to put in with my res. Nothing you can do or say will stop me. Recomend me a turtle. Are you gonna say get another slider or recommend another speices or just say dont get a turtle which did nothing at all. I have seen this before some people you just cant change their minds.