Other Turtle Discussion :: fluttering - i must clear up some things

[roseK]

Let me ask you this. If someone on this forum came on and said im gonna buy another turtle to put in with my res. Nothing you can do or say will stop me. Recomend me a turtle. Are you gonna say get another slider or recommend another speices or just say dont get a turtle which did nothing at all. I have seen this before some people you just cant change their minds.

I would tell them they are too ignorant to own a pet if they dont stop to think about the possibilties of aggression that may occur.

[theartbook35]

I love upsetting the established order.

I can see from the way everyone is responding to this thread that ya'll feel very strongly about this. Good debate ^___^

[marisa]

Painteds4life said:

"If you start seeing the same thing and over you can come to the conclusion that there has to be some fact to it."

Perhaps we're differing on the meaning of the word "fact." I don't think something can have "some fact" to it. It is a fact or it's not a fact (until it possibly changes).

If someone, especially a newbie, came on this forum, was hell-bent to get another turtle to keep with their RES, I would probably ask a couple of questions, say what I thought and decline to recommend another turtle. I don't see how this is doing nothing at all. I don't feel compelled to give an answer just for the sake of giving an answer.

[jozzep]

These are all injuries my RES inflicted on my OTHER turtles

The back end of this stinkpot was chewed off by a slider


The scar on this DBT neck was inflicted by a slider


Not a great picture, (and excuse my greasy thumb....just got back from work) but a few of his toes were also chewed off by a slider


With photos to prove it, based on MY experience, your theory can be put to rest.

[Diamondbacks4Life]

You got to look at the whole picture. Im saying yes res are aggressive dont house them with anything but if you have to house them with something. Try another species. Yes it may fail. In your case it did. You have a very aggressive slider.

You sure a slider did that to the stinkpot?

[jozzep]

You got to look at the whole picture. Im saying yes res are aggressive dont house them with anything but if you have to house them with something. Try another species. Yes it may fail. In your case it did. You have a very aggressive slider.

You sure a slider did that to the stinkpot?

Positive......Got back from work and the slider was taking bites and pushing away with it's leg like it was a piece of cuttle bone.

[roseK]

You got to look at the whole picture. Im saying yes res are aggressive dont house them with anything but if you have to house them with something. Try another species. Yes it may fail

that is why the majority of the forum says just leave it alone.







is this topic done yet everything feels so redundant

[jozzep]

is this topic done yet everything feels so redundant

Agreed....
But i think it's necessary to debate just in case new keepers think these "theories" might actually be fact.

[theartbook35]

Rosek- Drop the attitude. We're just talking. If you don't like the thread then don't read it.

Joe- Now we know RES have a history of being aggressive toward stinkpots.

I do wonder why RES are cool with certain species, and not others. Is it a nature thing, like competition or predation, or just based on their personalities and temperments?

[Diamondbacks4Life]

I do wonder why RES are cool with certain species, and not others. Is it a nature thing, like competition or predation, or just based on their personalities and temperments?

If you look at the youtube video i made on this topic and peoples input you see that their are lots of factors to take in. most answers didnt answer what i was askign just their own input on aggressive behavior in res. I think most people asked if i could house two turtles together lol. Guess I didnt make myself clear.

Heck there is one thing i didnt try with even my turtles as i think here. There is always a female in with Claws. Maybe if i take her out claws will start attacking the diamondbacks. That female might have him so infatuated he doesnt care about the other turtles.

This topic had its run. I found it fun

[TheComputerGremlin]

Whoa, topic explosion! See what happens when I don't get online on the weekends? Crazy, people, crazy!

I had a few things to add, though.

@Painteds4life - Yes, putting another species of turtle in with a slider means the likelihood of less aggression because the aggressor will be the slider. 2 sliders = 2 aggressors. 1 slider = 1 aggressor. I would never recommend someone get another turtle to put in with a slider, but if they were set on it, I would say a female "not slider", yes. Females are more docile, in general, and "not sliders" are less aggressive, in general. HOWEVER, just because something occurs "in general" doesn't make it a fact.

In order to show that it is a fact, you would need RIGOROUS TESTING. From a scientific standpoint, you would need at least 50-100 controlled experiments testing out any and all combinations. Just by polling people and asking for their personal experience, that doesn't work. You need to know age, gender, and entire life history of each turtle, along with species, gallonage, feeding schedule, etc. Just because at this point you and theartbook have found what seems to be a good ratio doesn't mean that it will work for every turtle, every time. And, it's still yet to be proven that your turtles are going to be fine for life, they may just flare up one day when you least expect it. Or they may not.

But one person's experience doesn't equal fact. Sliders will attack anything and everything they come across if it's in that slider's personality.

Y'all are silly debating a matter of opinions!

[coreyvht]

all i can say is lmfao hahahahayhahaa i love this site

[roseK]

Rosek- Drop the attitude. We're just talking. If you don't like the thread then don't read it.

just stating an opinion based on this topic, because we all like to state our opinion on here.

[theartbook35]

Jax- I can tell you right now that I bet aggressiveness in RES is based on the personality of the turtle. Hurricane is a very bold turtle, and Typhoon not so much, but the difference between them is, before I got the 55 gallon, in fluttering stand-offs, Hurricane would never stand up for him/herself, and Typhoon basically reigned supreme. You would expect the bold turtle to be the dominant character, and the docile turtle to be submissive, but, it's the exact opposite. (The funny thing about this is, as I've said before, Typhoon is the one who is heavily attached to Hurricane). I'm not saying this is fact though. Environment, socialization, and species characteristics come into play here.