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Post Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:30 am   urgent help needed in the next few hours please

i noticed today that my yellow belly slider has developed a skin condition around his next area.

im really worried and will be taking her to the vet tomorrow evening but anyone know what its about?

p.s i live in london, england.

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Post Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:50 am   

Sorry to hear your slider isn't well. You said he has a skin condition around his "next" area - do you mean "neck" area? Can you describe the skin condition - is it red, swollen, peeling, injured, etc? And let us know how long he's been this way?

Best of all would be a photo of the area when the turtle is dry.
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Post Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:17 am   

yes neck area....... was in a bit of rush......

its not swollen, more like if you had too much salt in the water..... u know like nappy rash or something of the sort..... apparently there were signs of it a few weeks ago but i didnt see what my brother was saying as such, but now i can see it.

i couldnt get a picture of her out of the water....... and you cant see it when she isnt dry........

i dont know how to attach an image ill look into it and reply again

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Post Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:32 am   

Here's directions on how to post a photo:

http://www.redearslider.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1811
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Post Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:42 am   

thanks for that i just figures it out, please let me know if you can see it and let me know if im doing something wrong....... im just about to make a dock, ive bought some aquarium glue silicon stuff

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll80 ... C07038.jpg

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll80 ... C07037.jpg

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll80 ... C07036.jpg

i couldnt do it the other way it would work, i hope this is ok now
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Post Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:40 pm   

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Post Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:28 pm   

It looks like shes turning albino. I'd just get her to a vet ASAP.
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Post Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:58 pm   

koch wrote:i couldnt get a picture of her out of the water....... and you cant see it when she isnt dry........

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Do you mean you can only see the problem when she's wet, or can you only see it when she's dry?

Here are some pictures of healthy turtle necks. How does your turtle's neck look different?

http://www.redearslider.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15227

http://www.redearslider.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15035

http://www.redearslider.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14526

Turtle necks are naturally pretty wrinkly. In some of your photos I think I see a very faint pink blush where her neck and front legs join her body. Is it the pink that's worrying you?
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Post Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:52 pm   

It does look a little pink around the neck, but her coloration in general seems weird, very pale. Is that tank where she lives all the time or is it just some kind of temporary setup? It's really really small, which means there's less water to dilute the waste. Poor water quality can cause a lot of different problems. Why don't you answer the questions listed in the sticky at the top of the urgent care forum, we might be able to help you more with some more info about your situation.
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Post Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:05 pm   

Your tank is MUCH too small for a turtle that size, you need 10 gallons per inch of turtle. Also, more water is needed, turtles are natural swimmers. And the basking area sounds like you're going to upgrade.

As for the neck, it almost looks like a sunburn? What is your light setup? As mentioned, bad water can cause a number of problems, if your light is too strong, skin and eye damage can occur, or if she's been rubbing up against her dock, that could cause irritation.

Please answer the questions in the sticky at the top of this forum and maybe more people can help you. And start looking for a vet.
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Post Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:54 pm   

I see a bit of redness in the first two pics, but not in the last one. (The white areas are a reflection from the camera?)

Could your YBS somehow have bruised himself?
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Post Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:23 am   

thanks for the help so far

i looked at the sticky question bit and to be honest i dont know all the information. ive had my turtle since september 2006 when i guess she was probably about a month old or so, very tiny anyway.

she grew increadibly fast and i was informed some time ago i was over feeding her, i guess why she grew so fast. ive reduced her food now. she is in a tank about 20 gallons so ive been told, but i cant be sure of this either.

i know you guys are hating me but there is such limited resources here for turtles (england) that im running around half the time not knowing what to do. i will be purchasing a new tank for her as soon as.

she does have a uvb light but not a spot light. she had a water heater and a filter.

the pink is what im talking about. i dont think its sun burn though as she has beeing under the same uvb light all the time and there hasnt been a problem before. she couldnt have bruised herself she dont go no where.

also they scare you here telling you you gonna get ill if you touch her and dont wash your hands so i dont touch her as much as i would like to and i think she hasnt got used to me as much as she would have either wise and hence runs away.

i swear i totally adore her and if anything happened i would be hurting. im taking her vet tonight anyways so lets see what they say.
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Post Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:06 am   

Most pet store employees and people will mislead you because humans naturally fear things they don't understand. Pretend that your turtle is a piece of raw chicken (bare with me while I get the analogy out). When you handle chicken, you IMMEDIATELY wash your hands after handling. If you drop a piece on the floor, you spray some disinfectant on the floor and wipe it up. So, if you handle your turtle, wash your hands with soap and water afterward and you'll be fine. You can allow your turtle to wander around on a hardwood or tiled floor as long as you wipe up after them (and better still if you don't have other pets or children around). And you'd never kiss a piece of raw chicken or rub it on your face, so don't do that with your turtle.

When was the last time you changed your UVB bulb? Even though it still puts out light, the UVB waves decrease over time and should be changed every 6-8 months. I hope the vet has some answers for you. If the vet suggests anything that you think doesn't sound right, post back on here before going through with treatment. Not all vets understand turtles.
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Post Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:58 pm   

How did it go with the vet? I hope he/she was able to help.

I must say I've never seen a situation exactly like yours. There are lots of examples of turtles with a pink blush to the skin which shows occasionally when the turtle has been very sedantary. It's caused by blood pooling, and as soon as the turtle starts moving around, the blush disappears. I gather, however, that your turtle's condition is different and the pink is on the surface and doesn't go away.

Usually when we've seen skin infections on here they've manifested as very heavy shedding or a whitish coating. However, it's entirely possible that a skin infection in a turtle could result in a pink rash. There is some info on another reputable site on treating skin infections. I'm going to go ahead and report it here, but am really most interested in hearing what your vet had to say:

This will appear as, but not be limited to, excessive shedding skin, sores and sometimes a general foul smell. This condition, left untreated, can result in septicemia.

From Austin's Turtle Page:

"Before being able to affectively treat the turtle, the root cause of the infection must be determined. Generally, skin infections come about due to inadequate filtration. Ensure that you place a quality filter in the turtle's habitat and use the recommended filter media. This will go along way in prevention.

Treatment using Acriflavine

Acriflavine is one of the greatest meds to use with turtles. I have treated shell infections with numerous medications and methods, but Acriflavine has given me better and faster results. This is my treatment method:

Week 1 - Do a complete water change. Remove any carbon media from filters. Add Acriflavine according to the directions on the label.

Week 2 - Do a 100% water change again, adding another treatment of Acriflavine.

Week 3 - Yet another 100% water change, this time, do not add in Acriflavine. Do not add any carbon media at this time.

Week 4 - Do a 100% water change again, adding another treatment of Acriflavine.

Week 5 - Personal preference on either leaving the treated water in the habitat, or changing it out. I have done both and have seen no differences in affect.

At this point, do 50% water changes for the next few weeks, and then taper back down to your normal routine. This will not only assist in fighting off anything that is trying to re-establish itself in your turtle's home, but also helps in general with water quality until the turtle has had proper time to heal."

I'm dismayed at your comment that we are hating you! Just the opposite - we really want to help. I understand that you are in a location where these kinds of turtles are pretty rare and info is scarce. Even over here where sliders and their kin are pretty common, it's incredibly hard sometimes to get the info we need or find people who know what they are talking about. It's admirable that you are trying to do a good job taking care of your turtle and taking him to see a vet when you are worried about him.

Don't be too worried about catching something from your turtle. All you have to do is wash your hands real well after you've handled him. I've been handling Spot a lot for almost 5 years and have never had the slightest illness because of it. Other people on the forum have been handling their turtles for a lot longer and never had a problem.
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Post Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:28 am   good news

hi everyone

i did try and get on friday but i was having internet problems so i really apologise for that.........

firstly i truly appreciate all your help and support throughout this, reading back my posts i sounded like a worried young mum..... which i suppose i was. so i got to apologise for sounding hesterical!!! :roll:

the vet, who thankfully had kept RES before initially asked whether there was anything pink in the tank and when i said no, he said it was just vessels. like she gets a bit hot and her mood changes so her skin goes pinkish.

when he first picked her up she wasnt pink and then she started to go pink coz she didnt like being held and was getting agitated. when he gettling touched her in the red area it went back to normal.

he said she was fine and healthy...... shell and all.......... he did also recommend i get a bigger tank.... and to entertain her a little as she may be bored!!!

i have since stopped feeding her the dry stuff in the blue container i buy and have fed her fresh prawns.

i will defo be in the process of purchasing a new tank for her.... and will post a picture to you guys can see.

i really appreciate all your help again and again..........

thank you....

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