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Post Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 1:38 pm   Media setup

So I got the Sunsun up and running on the 24th of April. Initially the tank cleared up a bit, but now it's getting dirty again. I'm planning to clean/replace media tomorrow. I can't remember what order it's in but I know right now it has bio balls, ceramic rings, carbon, a fine white sponge and a coarse blue sponge.

I bought new blue sponges and carbon today. I also have some Ecosnow (description here:http://www.colehardware.com/hotline/2007/12/ecosnow.htm). Basically it's the Eco version of poly fill for arts and crafts. Can I use that or do I need the poly fill?

What order would you put the media in? And should I clean and re use the bio balls or just pitch them?
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Post Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 5:49 pm   Re: Media setup

You can probably skip the poly fill and the finer sponge. With turtle waste those can clog fast.

The SunSun is not listed, but the guidance here can help in getting media setup:

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Post Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 5:57 pm   Re: Media setup

I looked through that thread, but it's different for each filter listed...
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Post Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 7:31 pm   Re: Media setup

MerryMenagerie wrote:I looked through that thread, but it's different for each filter listed...


But look at the general guidelines.

No floss unless temporarily to clear cloudy water

No fine polishing pads, unless clearing water

If you look at water flow and media suggestions it is sponges -> carbon -> biomedia (rings, matrix, whatever).

So, I'd say look at the water flow and judge from that. If you've paid for the floss and have cloudy water, then use it with the expectation that it will probably clog sooner and may need changing sooner.

You want three big things from your filter:

1. Water turnover. Too fine of filtration will clog and work against that. Putting the sponges in front of the carbon helps prevent carbon clogging. Putting the carbon before the biomedia cleans the water of stuff that could clog the biomedia as well as things that could harm the bacteria growing there.

2. Conversion of ammonia/nitrite to nitrate. That happens everywhere, on the substrate, on the glass and ornaments but mostly in the biomedia. The carbon protects the bacteria by removing harmful chemicals. The things you change, like carbon, or can rinse easily, like sponges go in front of it.

3. Removal of harmful chemicals. That's your carbon. It is changed frequently, because it gets used up as it adsorbs chemicals. Sponges may eventually need replacement as they are repeatedly wrung out and rinsed. I'm told that biomedia can last forever.
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Post Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 8:24 pm   Re: Media setup

Thank you! I figured I would set it up like the marineland since its a knockoff. It has three trays.
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Post Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 1:45 pm   Re: Media setup

Cleaned it today, it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. The two white sponges were gross, but the bioballs and ceramic rings were barely dirty. The coarse spong was also barely dirty. New sponges are on the bottom, then carbon, then bio media. I need to get another mesh bag for more carbon. Also need to add more water, I can't get it started again.
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Post Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 2:08 pm   Re: Media setup

Sorry I didn't see this thread sooner... glad you figured out the media setup.

Ceramic rings are great in a canister filter but Bioballs aren't. You get like 100x more surface are for the same volume of rings as you would with bioballs. My suggestion would be to replace the bioballs with ceramic rings / chunks when you can to get the most out of your filter.

Does the sunsun have directions on how to restart? You'll want to make sure the filter body is full of water before you put it 100% back together.
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Post Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 2:11 pm   Re: Media setup

ljapa wrote:
You want three big things from your filter:

1. Water turnover. Too fine of filtration will clog and work against that. Putting the sponges in front of the carbon helps prevent carbon clogging. Putting the carbon before the biomedia cleans the water of stuff that could clog the biomedia as well as things that could harm the bacteria growing there.

2. Conversion of ammonia/nitrite to nitrate. That happens everywhere, on the substrate, on the glass and ornaments but mostly in the biomedia. The carbon protects the bacteria by removing harmful chemicals. The things you change, like carbon, or can rinse easily, like sponges go in front of it.

3. Removal of harmful chemicals. That's your carbon. It is changed frequently, because it gets used up as it adsorbs chemicals. Sponges may eventually need replacement as they are repeatedly wrung out and rinsed. I'm told that biomedia can last forever.



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Post Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 2:30 pm   Re: Media setup

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Post Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 5:52 pm   Re: Media setup

The directions are not very clear. It has a priming button, but when I plug it in, and prime it, no water is moving through the tubes. I think I'm going to have to take the sprayer bar off, and try to get it moving first, then reconnect it. I think that's what we did last time.
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Post Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 5:53 pm   Re: Media setup

Oh, and I have cerarmic rings in the same tray as the bio balls. Should I just get rid of them and add more rings?
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Post Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 5:58 pm   Re: Media setup

I would say yes, the rings add a lot more surface area, helping the biological bacterial colonies grow, keeping your water within good perimeters.
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Post Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 8:35 pm   Re: Media setup

MerryMenagerie wrote:It has a priming button, but when I plug it in, and prime it, no water is moving through the tubes


Prime it without it plugged in.

The pumps in canister filters aren't that strong. You pump the primer until the canister is filled and the intake tube is full of water. Then plug it in and the pump just pushes the water up the return tube, aided by the gravity flow of the intake water siphoning into the canister.
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Post Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 9:12 pm   Re: Media setup

I did it! First I disconnected the sprayer bar, but still nothing. Then I tried priming it unplugged, nothing. Then I filled the filter with water, primed, reconnected the sprayer bar, plugged it in, and it started pumping water. Now if it would just clean the tank....
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Post Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 12:42 pm   Re: Media setup

It's not keeping the tank clean?
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