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Turtle tank setups and other indoor configurations.

Post Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:11 am   Re: New Habitat

Well I missed a day of reporting but the work is still visible. I mixed some fine sawdust with some epoxy to make a paste and applied it to all of the inside corners. This does 2 things. It fills the gap in the joint if there is one and it ends up putting a radius in the corner. Cracks in general like to start where 2 sharp edges meet. When you build out the corner you make the sharp line go away. Kind of like the difference between putting a sharp fold in a piece of paper right before you tear it and trying to tear it in a straight line without a fold.
This part is just informational about me. Anything I say on this forum is me trying to pass on things that I have learned without being preachy. That is why I explain what I do in each step. I am not trying to say "look what I can do!" I am not a master tank builder but I did build a fiberglass boat so kind of like a tank inside out. There are probably better ways to do a lot of things that i do. At least you'll know one way that it was done. Knowledge is power.
So, back to our story. Today's pic is of the tank with the filler in the corners and a 6" wide piece of fiberglass cloth over them. The cloth goes clear when it is thouroughly covered in resin. It takes some practice to handle the cloth. It tend to come apart at the edges. When you have gloves on with a little resin on them and handle the cloth it can quickly end up as a fiberglass ball. It keeps coming apart and getting worse and worse. Lots of disposable gloves are your friend.
The thing that is working for and against me is that the epoxy I bought has kind of a medium setting time. Not too fast or too slow. That combined with the fact that my shop is at about 68 degrees means that the epoxy is kind of slow to set up. Not great if you are in a hurry. Really nice if you are just doing one lay up per day and are spending a lot of time smoothing things out. I'll call it nice for me. If you ever work with this stuff and you feel it start to set up it is like in a movie where the evil villain freezes everyone and you can see the ice coming at you. You know you have about 10 seconds to make it better and then it is too late.
Tonight I plan to fiberglass the bottom. I will cut the cloth ahead and dry fit it. You can slide it around some after it is wet. I bought the cloth for the bottom and sides off ebay. It is supposedly a 6 oz cloth, which is very common, but this stuff is a lot thicker. That actually works in my favor for the bottom. Not sure about the sides. It will suck up more resin but provide more protection for leaks. Actually after I sealed the corners of the tank if I had waterproofed the bare wood, it could have been used as a tank at that point. So the resin adds waterproofing and the cloth adds thickness and strength. I will also be painting the tank with an epoxy paint. Part waterproofing, part aesthetics.
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Post Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:04 pm   Re: New Habitat

Thanks for sharing! I don't think anyone would be preachy, we all appreciate learning new things here. I'm unfamiliar with using fiberglass, so this has been very educational for me.
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Post Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:10 am   Re: New Habitat

Got all the fiberglass cloth on last night. It went ok. Went through lots of gloves. The worst is done. A little sanding to knock down the edges and boogers then its just a few coats of resin. I mentioned making a fiberglass ball on my last post, well I made one. The edges of the cloth are what you have to be careful with. I was working in a corner so I had 2-3 edges all in one place. You try not to brush the resin towards the edge of the cloth or it comes undone. Well if you have numerous edges running in all directions that have turned invisible because they are resin soaked, you start to unravel. I ended up with a snotball that I couldn't remove easily so I left it in a corner. I'll try to post pics tonight. It is not real bad and this is a turtle tank.
Other epoxy notes. it gives off heat when it cures. If you mix too much in a cup shaped container, it gets warm. This speeds up curing, which makes more heat. it can get very hot quickly and you lose that batch of resin. You can literally melt down a plastic cup and burn your hand. A wide shallow container and about 12oz at a time seems to be ok.
Also if you are applying several coats of resin, you need to sand the surface of the resin to get the next coat to bond to it if it has cured. If you apply the next coat while the previous coat is still soft, you don't need to sand.
Also, most resins are mixed in some ratio like 1:1 or 3:1 by volume or by weight. If you have access to a decent scale it is way easier to weigh the resin than to use a measuring cup. They do make graduated containers for this but I am generally too cheap to use one and then throw it away.
As always, take what I say with a grain of salt. Do your research. I just bring up items to be food for thought.
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Post Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:53 am   Re: New Habitat

Well, I think I am done fiberglassing. It looks pretty good. There are a few bumps and contours but it is just a turtle tank.
So the steps I have taken to makes this waterproof are:
Mix up a sawdust paste and fill / build out the corners.
Cover all of the corners with a piece of 6" wide cloth and epoxy.
Cover the bottom and sides with cloth and epoxy, overlapping at the corners.
One coat of epoxy on everything.
Sand out the bumps.
Final coat of epoxy.
Tomorrow I'll do a light sand and paint the inside of the tank. I am going with a dark blue. Black would hide more algae and mildew but blue is prettier. I think that will take 2 coats.
The biggest things to look at when doing this in my opinion are pay attention to the joints and seams. That is where there might be movement in your frame and that is where leaks are likely to occur. The big flat areas are not going to leak unless something really bad happens.
I attached some pics of the tank as it is sitting right now. A couple of the different cloths I used. The closeup of the top edge of the tank just to show how the cloth disappears when it gets soaked with epoxy. Looking forward to doing the plumbing. That isn't quite so messy.
Did I mention that my cat spends the night in the shop? I never saw any paw prints in the epoxy, which is good, but when I was petting his back yesterday I found out he got too close to something gooey. Just kind of combed it out. Cats don't listen. I was laying a kitchen floor once that required adhesive down on the entire surface. Some I am on one side of the adhesive lake and my cat makes an appearance on the other side. I said nooooo! Fortunately it was a water based adhesive so it came out of the carpet on the stairs fairly easily.
This project has kind of taken on a life of its own, kind of like when you have to much mixed resin in a cup and it heats up which makes it cure faster, which makes more heat, etc.
Because the tank is coming out quite well, I would like everything to look and work well. So that takes more time and money. Which makes it look and work better, which means spending more time and money...
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Post Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:01 pm   Re: New Habitat

Looks great so far. Can't wait to see more!
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Post Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 3:03 pm   Re: New Habitat

I think any dark color in the tank will look nice. Add some sand to make things stand out.
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Post Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 3:15 pm   Re: New Habitat

Are you going to use pond paint?
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Post Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 3:31 pm   Re: New Habitat

Yes on the pond paint. Pentair 2 part epoxy. It is supposed to be safe for critters. Do you keep all of your turtles together? We are probably going to take in some homeless charity cases when everything is reestablished. We just don't want to upset our girl res. Just not sure who gets along with who. We did have a 3 legged painted turtle in our outside pond for awhile. She was really good at doing laps, kind of like nascar, but she disappeared.
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Post Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 3:38 pm   Re: New Habitat

Yes, I do keep them all together although its not recommended. I can seperate them if I need but for now they get along great :-)
1 Male Mississippi Map/Mississippi
1 Female RES/Slidy.
1 DBT White Concentric Female/ Lucky
1 DBT Male/ Spots
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300 gallon indoor stock tank, FX6 & FX5 filters. Mega-Ray 100w UVB bulb.
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Post Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 7:07 pm   Re: New Habitat

I got the paint on today. 2 coats. I'm glad I had a respirator in stock. That paint is some smelly stuff! I had to open doors for ventilation and crank up the heat to get the paint to cure. The pics don't really show much other than it is really blue. If this doesn't work for a turtle tank it'll be a good soaking tub on the patio. Now I'll start on the plumbing when the paint firms up. I'll be stealing parts from the other tank to go with this one. Pump and filter mostly. Notchie will just have to make do. The paint needs to cure for a week to be safe so that should be enough time for me to get the other stuff done.
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Post Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 7:19 pm   Re: New Habitat

Looks great! Are you a Carpenter by trade?
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300 gallon indoor stock tank, FX6 & FX5 filters. Mega-Ray 100w UVB bulb.
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Post Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 11:08 pm   Re: New Habitat

Technically I am the facilities director for a school system. That's kind of an accident, since 2003. I was mostly electromechanical for many years, got married, took advantage on that extra income. Quit my job and started my own custom woodworking business. Then the was an art college in Milwaukee that was looking for an electrician / cabinetmaker and I went there for several years. Wanted out of the city so we moved an hour north and built a house with a shop. Got a job at a school doing kind of what I was doing before. Put in a pond. Bought a couple turtles...
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Post Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 7:17 am   Re: New Habitat

I have a construction background that's why I asked. In my younger years I framed houses, did concrete work and even built aluminium storefront windows. In 91 I joined the local Brick masons union and that's still what I do today. You have some skills and it shows.
1 Male Mississippi Map/Mississippi
1 Female RES/Slidy.
1 DBT White Concentric Female/ Lucky
1 DBT Male/ Spots
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Post Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:34 am   Re: New Habitat

My tank is similar to yours.
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1 Male Mississippi Map/Mississippi
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1 DBT White Concentric Female/ Lucky
1 DBT Male/ Spots
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300 gallon indoor stock tank, FX6 & FX5 filters. Mega-Ray 100w UVB bulb.
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Post Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:27 am   Re: New Habitat

That looks like a nice setup. The water sure is clean. Do you have sand in the bottom? When I had a beach for Notchie sand just kind of migrated everywhere and then went away when we cleaned the tank. Is that a patented tongue depressor ramp?
I installed the drain in my tank yesterday. Essentially it is held in with a ton of white silicone. It's not going anywhere. The blue tank paint isn't getting real hard in a hurry. Saturday I had the heat cranked and the doors open to vent the fumes. It seems to be done outgassing now for the most part. Now it just needs to get hard. I have the shop at 70. At least now it is in the 40's outside rather than below zero.
Tonight I'll probably start stealing parts from the other tank and mock up the plumbing. I had some new ball valves on order that should be here today. 2 of the floor drains that I am thinking of using are underneath the present tank. It'd be nice if I could see them. I might be putting the tank back on dollies and taking Notchie for a ride. Just need to be careful to not have the stone tower fall on her.
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