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Post Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 11:30 am   Hibernation Hijacked?

Back in June the city council decided that the local pond was becoming a hazard and that it needed to be drained and rebuilt. So a posting went out to the city about "adopting" the residents of the pond - fish, crayfish, and turtles (perdominantly RES). After all they were blaming the turtles for the destruction of the current pond, especially since the turtles hadn't been in the original plans.

So they drained the pond. Very traumatic I would imagine. Loud noises, the water disappearing, people tromping around with nets scooping up fish. The turtles all went to ground. We showed up the day they drained it and came home with a 7" goldfish, a 12" tri-colored koi (how he got in the pond is anyones guess!) and ... a hatchling from this year's crop of turtles. :mrgreen: 'Tiny' was about the size of a silver dollar.

Two ponds were created, one for the fish, and one for the turtles, as we were given a turtle about the same size from the pet store when we purchased some turtle food. Hours upon hours of research went into constructing the pond/habitat for our turtles. Two days later we were called; did we want another turtle. "Andre" had nearly been hit by a car. Two days after they finished draining the pond turtles started coming out of the mud and trying to find a water source; we live in the high desert, so June temps start hitting triple digits. So we agreed to take this 8" turtle, and named him 'Andre' after Andre the Giant. And then we quickly figured out Andre was a girl when she started dropping eggs. We renamed her Calypso.

Calypso, Tiny, and Ula (Celtic for Sea Gem) all got along wonderfully. The two little ones had an odd relationship with the large female, and all seemed extremely happy. Calypso was awfully social for a wild RES. She would come out from her cave when ever we came out to see her, or feed, or just spend time watching them swim. She would come right up to the edge of the pond and watch you. It was like having a conversation. She'd follow our fingers at feeding time, so we'd always point to food. We used the guide from this website to help us insure she was getting a balanced diet, though by far Calypso's favorite was the red grapes. She's eat them all up so fast, and then she'd beg for more! Yes, I've never quite seen a turtle beg, but it was obvious that's what she was doing.

Summer passed, and fall started, so the temps started dropping. We found a nice in-line heater and brought the water back up to a nice temp. We didn't want to let anyone hibernate, especially the two little ones. Lately Calypso had started to slow down in her eating, but otherwise her behavior was still normal; she had no inclanation to leave the water to the out-door basking area we made, she prefered the in-pond basking platform.

And then it happened. A few days ago we went out to feed, but there was no face peeking at us from beneath the cave. No one swam out to visit with us. A month or so back we'd gotten the scare and thought we'd lost Ula; she's the smallest. But it turns out that while I did find a Praie Falcon perched on the edge of my above ground pond (watching my koi I suppose) it wasn't a bird of prey that took our little Ula. 3 days later I found her swimming in the other pond ... she'd buried herself down deep in the lily's pot. But there's no planters in the big turtle pond. It's a pre-formed pond, so there's no liner to tear through, no dirt to burrow in. That's why we had it heated to a comfy 78.

We looked around the edge of the pond, but there was no sign of Calypso's escape. We checked the yard. Nothing. Saddly there are some low spots where she could have gotten under the fence, that leads into a two-car-wide desert "alley" behind our property before it becomes the next parcel of land. That neighbor has field fencing that appears to be to small for her to climb through, and the folks around them have cyclone fencing that goes strait to the dirt. I went out with the hoe and started tearing up tumbleweeds that gather in the alley; still nothing. We checked everywhere in the yard, but no turtle, no sign of digging. We even pulled up several of our deck boards to check under it incase she'd wandered around to the side and crawled beneath it. Still nothing. 3 days of searching and crying over a wild turtle that came to live with us in June, and captured all our hearts.

We don't want to give up the search for her, but short of posting flyers for 'Have you seen our Turtle' we don't know what else to do. Our only guess is that her instincts to hibernate were so strong, she felt compelled to leave. And if she got out surely she went to hibernate.

But I must ask this: Why do RES feel the need to "escape". Was it really her instincts to hibernate? We've no idea how long she lived wild in the city pond, but she was so social and seemed so content. (Other then the fact that we didn't give her her red grapes as often as she thought we should) Do turtles search for anything when they do get out? Soft dirt? Another water source? Do they have homing instincts? If she is hibernating when she wakes up will she remember to come 'home'? Will she come back to our yard, following the sound of water?

We're don't want to accept that we're probably not going to find her. But every time we go out to visit with the little turtles it's hard not to sit down and start crying over the loss of our big social girl.

--Kristi
Pahrump, Nevada
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Post Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 1:36 pm   Re: Hibernation Hijacked?

Very sorry to hear she's gone. Are you sure she's not somewhere in either of the two ponds, or perhaps even burried in an area (like bushes) near them?

How cold is it getting where you are?

Why she decided to leave is anyone's guess; once out, she'd be looking for a safe place with water. Some species do have homing instincts, but RES are not one of them. If she is hibernating, when she wakes up, she won't automatically remember to come "home." If you were to find her, it would be by chance more than anything (sorry). But I'm not sure i'd give up just yet, especially if your days are warm, which would increase her activity.

I've been in your situation and know how frustrating and sad it is. I hope you find her.
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Post Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 10:10 pm   Re: Hibernation Hijacked?

Thank you, Marisa.

Unfortunately we designed both the ponds as "above ground" units. Both are preforms. I'll have to upload images from my other computer. We built a box-frame and set the preform inside, backfilled with sand, and then topped it with several inches of pond pebbles. The larger pond used to house the koi, the large goldfish, and the two baby turtles, while the other pond was strictly for Calypso. When the weather started to turn we bought one heater and put the two little turtles in with the big girl; everyone got along really well. Ula would take turtle-back rides on Calypso, and Tiny liked to hide under his portable rock/cave. There is about four feet of space between the two ponds, and the top of the box-frame is about two feet off the ground. We didn't want to do in-ground for fear of critters (we still had a few bedraggled chipmunks and a couple of drowned baby birds), my son, and the fact that with both being disabled trying to get that low was just to painful to both of us. So saddly no way she could really get into the other pond, which I did thoroughly clean today anyway. And unless she was able to burrow beneath all that rock to get to the sand.... my son noticed one of the rocks near a lowish corner disturbed; it is unfortunately the highest point on the basking area, and she was obviously able to haul herself over the side.

The rest of the yard has no landscaping; we never got around to it. Aside from the deck, a wood pile, and one tree the only thing currently growing in our rocky as sin ground are some weeds. Weeds I promptly ripped out of the ground in hopes to find a turtle hiding beneath them.

Prior to our mini-heat wave (low 80's) the temps in the day were ranging in the mid to low 60's, with the nights getting down into the 30's. But she never left the pond, and the water was set at a continual 78-80 degrees. We fear, that if she's looking for somewhere with water, short of finding a neighbor with a pool (if she can get under their fence) she won't last long.

I suppose tomorrow I will ask the neighbor directly across the alley if I can search his outter reachs of his proprety, or to at least make him aware that he may find our turtle on his property. We've alerted some neighborhood kids that are always in the alley area, and let our neighbors know. I can only hope we find her before the cold returns... which it is supposed to do by Tuesday.

I wish they had homing instincts. We feel like we've failed to give her a good home and take care of her appropreately. We realize an aquatic turtle loose on her own, in the high desert, is like commiting turtle-cide. She tried that once when we first got her. We had her in a kiddy pool and she was misserable; she was always trying to climb the sides. One day she succeeded and we found her halfway across the yard heading strait for the fence line. After that we made it a mission to get her pond finished within the next 24 hours; just couldn't bear the heartache of seeing her so obviously upset. My mother blames herself for not going out there earlier that day; maybe she would have caught her trying to escape, or halfway across the yard. I blame myself for stacking the rocks to high in that corner; I had an inkling it might have been to tall, but she never used the basking area, she never left the pond, so I figured with winter coming I wouldn't need to worry about it till spring. By the time we went out to feed that night it was already dark, and trying to find a turtle by flashlight is just darn near impossible.

Today we thought we heard some kids yell "turtle" and both of us jumped in my car and went speeding around the neighborhood till we found the house and felt so weird asking them if they'd found a turtle. You can only imagine the looks we got. But I pulled up a picture of Calypso on my phone while my mother explained what happened, and they promised to keep an eye out for her.

I hope we find her.....
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Tiny, Ula, and Calypso - Red Ear Sliders
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Bella LaToesey - 24 toed Hemmingway Cat
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Post Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:29 pm   Re: Hibernation Hijacked?

Hi Kristi, if Calypso was previously a captive pet, it could explain her friendliness towards people. Do keep looking for her. She might be buried under rocks or gravel, RES are so good at reaching those impossible places. Look everywhere, then look again. When my female RES was little, about 3 inches or so, she got out of her temporary outdoor enclosure. We couldn't find her anywhere, even after tearing up the yard. The only place we didn't look was under a large rock, and after I pulled it back, I saw a little turtle behind and pulled her out. I hope you're able to find her too.
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Post Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:49 pm   Re: Hibernation Hijacked?

Thank you, Steve.

I think our big concern is that there are to many locations on the south fence where she can get under it. The other side is desert, with weeds everywhere, and no real way to moniter it constantly to see if she comes out. Even more frustrating is it's starting to feel like an alien abduction; the absolute lack of any sort of sign that she went through the yard is aggrivating. At least if there were claw marks, or marks from her shell where she went, if she did leave the yard, something... anything! A sign on which direction to look, a shrub to stake out. We went out after the rainstorm to see if maybe she came up, to see if maybe their were some tracks, move some more tumbleweeds to see if the ground was disturbed. But the ground is all hard, smooth, unmarred by anything.

Why do RES decide to go walkabout? To become habitat houdini's?
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Tiny, Ula, and Calypso - Red Ear Sliders
Smoke, Midnight, Bacardi, Cash - Resident Cats
Bella LaToesey - 24 toed Hemmingway Cat
Sierra Rose - Arabian
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Post Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:09 am   Re: Hibernation Hijacked?

I would think she would look for the closest spot to hide, or dig under if she were cold. Perhaps moving along side the nearest perimeter... I'm sorry for how frustrating this must be.
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Post Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:56 pm   Re: Hibernation Hijacked?

We have a happy ending!

The nights have been cold, the days "warm" in the sun; the temps say mid-60s but it feels warmer in the sunlight with no breeze. The rains have temporarily ceased, and the land has dried back up. Such is the nature of the high desert.

The house was warm; 75. So we figured a lil fresh air would be a nice thing. It was just after 2pm, and I was about to step out the door for the evening. One of our cats was suddenly on his back legs, beating on the screen door.

Now Smoke is our "not a cat". In the summer am's he begs to wear his harness so he could get put on his tether and go out onto the back deck. When Calypso was still in her blue kiddy pool he would go out and sit next to her, and more then once we caught them nose to nose, or the cat touching the turtles shell; he's a very touchy-feely cat, Smoke is.

So Smoke excited about outside was typical, but his body posture wasn't. Even with birds galore on the ground, or lizards on the deck, Smoke never got that excited. We shoed him from the screen and peered out. No birds, and any lizards out were in the sun. No lil field mice either, so what was the cat looking at? My mother and I looked out the door, then regarded one another baffled. Shrugging she went back to sit down, but the cat still had his nose glued to the window, staring. So I shifted to where he was, stroking and talking to him; like he's going to answer, hah! Peering through the window I looked out the direction the cat was, trying to see what he saw.

And I saw it. I couldn't believe what I saw, but suddenly I understood his excitement. Against the side of the house, just behind my bike tire, was a large... oval... rock. And that rock had a leg sticking out to the side. I went sprinting through the screen door, screaming my excitement, "Oh my god! Oh my god! Oh my god!!" My family came rushing after me. "What?! What is it? What is it?!?!" Carefully I scooped up our wayward girl and was greeted with a typical hiss as I turned to the family. "It's Calypso!!!"

You can imagine how shocked and surprised we were. It'd been 10 days outside, with nights colder then 30, and days not much warmer then 65. No plants, no water.... nothing. It appears she went under the deck, farther then the few boards my family pulled up in an attempt to find her. We laid down weedblock before we built our deck, so we're not sure if she was able to burrow through it or not.

Into the pond she went, and temporarily we slid a couple pieces of lattice over the top, to protect against habitat houdini from happening again, and first priority this morning was a trip to Home Depot to buy supplies so we could be a removeable "lid" of sorts. We used light wood to sandwhich chickenwire and created it into two sections. That way both can be removed for full access to the pond, or just one side. The wire is small enough that if all 3 of them decide to create a turtle pyramid no one can get through the wiring and yet it'll still permit what sunlight we get to keep the pond heated as much as possible, as well as basking. Tomorrow I'll dig up most of the rock and slate to the one side and bury a tub I have that will then get filled with a sand/dirt mixture so when they get out they'll have a place to dig around in, plus still have lots of basking areas. The whole time we were out there working on building the "turtle prison" Calypso was swimming around, and ocassionaly she'd stop and try and find a way to climb out, ready to go on her next adventure, while Ula and Tiny were trying to get back underneath their large friend. =)

We're all so glad we found her, and want to thank both of you (and those locally we spoke with) for all the words of encouragement. It's one thing to hear the stories of "yah my turtle got out too, they do that. But a few days later we found her/him", and another to experience it. I can honestly say, if your turtle ever pulls a habitat houdini do /not/ give up, don't lose your faith, don't stop looking, don't stop hoping... because one day you'll turn around and there will be your silly turtle wandering around your yard. :mrgreen:
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Tiny, Ula, and Calypso - Red Ear Sliders
Smoke, Midnight, Bacardi, Cash - Resident Cats
Bella LaToesey - 24 toed Hemmingway Cat
Sierra Rose - Arabian
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Post Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:25 am   Re: Hibernation Hijacked?

That's great news... congrats on finding her!
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Post Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:38 pm   Re: Hibernation Hijacked?

It's nice to hear that there was a happy ending to Calypso's adventure. :D
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Post Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 4:29 am   Re: Hibernation Hijacked?

Very nice story! Glad you got her back.
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