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Post Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 8:55 am   Update on turtles (with pictures)

:P Toutolina is still doing great! I don't know what's going on, but for some reason he's really strong. I'll go out and come back home and the 10+ pound rock that he basks on will be on the other side of the tank! :roll: It's so funny...still very energetic and playing rough and loves to bask for hours each day. Will eat my fingers, if I allow it BUT still won't touch the cuttlebone. Maybe he has enough calcium already.

:? Tortuga's hands are still not better and I'm beginning to wonder if the damage might be permanent. Still swims around though and eats...just can't put pressure on the front limbs. For some reason, she really enjoys the dark (her tank has a little tunnel and she loves hanging out in there). Other than the hand issue, everything is normal. I can see that the skin wants to shed, but it's not coming off :roll: ; guess it will in due time.

Here are some pics...
(Yes, Tortuga is in the other one's tank for the picture BUT not at the same time as Toutolina! :wink: )...and those are their lovely fish friends.

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Post Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:55 am   

Toutolina's shell is really unique. its like it has been flipped by his hind legs.
i still hope Tortuga's injured limb will get back to normal.

Thanks for sharing the pics :D
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Post Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 12:32 pm   

Yeah, Toutolina's shell is flipped at the back

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Post Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 12:33 pm   

Great pictures! Your turtle is so cute. :P
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Post Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 12:34 pm   

thanks :)
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Post Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 3:38 pm   

Nice turtles, but Toutolina's marginal scutes are turning upward (and there seems to be a problem with some if the scutes on the carapace as well). This is not cute, but it is unhealthy.

What is this turtle being fed? How much and how often?

Is Toutolina getting adequate calcium in the diet?

What kind of UVB light does Toutolina bask under? How old is it?
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Post Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 8:07 pm   

How bad is it??? :cry: Any treatment?

I've had her for almost 7 years now...so I'd say she's 7+ years old.
The basking lamp is the same as the one fish have... I feed her 2-3 times a day, with the pellets; and once a week I give her lettuce. I've tried the cuttlebone thing for calcium, but she refuses to eat it. What other source provides calcium?

The back of the shell is curled up because for almost 5 years, I had it in a tank with very LITTLE water - I did not know how to care for it the right way. :oops: I'm really willing to do whatever it takes to make it better, so please help me out and THANKS for noticing!
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Post Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:30 am   

I thought was its just genetic that is why it is pointing upwards. Is the shell hard? Sorry I dont have experience with this and i dont know what to do.

I think 2 to 3 times of pellets a day is bad depending on how much is a single serving. You should give her more veggies now and less pellets. You should also have a uvb light in the basking area. If you dont have a UVB in the basking area in all those years, maybe thats the reason why it is flipped upward. but I'm not sure.
The seniors here can help you more. just wait for them to post some replies.
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Post Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:37 am   

(sorry for double post)

Or maybe you could create another tread explaining the condition with an appropriate title and relevance to the topic.

"Update on turtles (with pictures)" is not related on the new issue.
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Post Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:43 am   

I didn't realize there was an issue. Toutolina's shell has always been like this - it is hard just like any other shell and I'm pretty sure it's never going to grow back normally. It is upturned at the end because for the first couple of years I didn't have lots of water in her tank. I didn't know how to care for it the right way - actually thought she would HATE water!! Now she's almost 7 years old...other than the slightly curved shell, she is very healthy.

I will begin giving her more vegetables and get the UVB bulb for the basking area. Thank you!
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Post Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:40 pm   

I think the shell shape will be permanent. I didn't think it was an issue also but i'm no expert. Maybe you can share some stories how that happened. It will be a good information for us turtle lovers.

And don't change the diet dramatically. It might upset her or may have a negative effect. Do it gradually.
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Post Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:41 am   

Hi larqw,

Toutolina's shell doesn't look normal. The edges shouldn't be curling up like that and the top of her shell should be more dome shaped. Giving her space to swim in is definitely a step in the right direction. Other areas that are critical for shell health are light (basking under a good UVB bulb) and diet.

On the light, whatever light you have for the fish won't provide the UVB that she needs in order to metabolize calcium. The needs of fish are quite different. Turtles have to have UVB light or the calcium they eat won't be absorbed and they will develop bone and shell problems. What size tank is toutolina in? If the tank is large enough, you can use an MVB bulb, which is an all-in-one bulb that provides both the heat and the UVB that a turtle needs. If the tank is small, then you'll need two separate bulbs over the basking area - one for heat and one for UVB.

On the diet, why don't you read up on nuitrition on this site if you haven't read it recently. There's a gold mine of info there.

For veggies, a grown turtle like Toutolina needs fresh veggies every day - as much as she wants. Green leaf lettuce and red leaf lettuce are good choices. Also, certain aquatic plants like anacharis are great because you can leave them in the tank and they won't spoil like lettuce. For variety, on some days she can have carrot shavings, a piece of bell pepper, some tomato, apple peal, sweet potato, or blue berries. Variety is the key.

On the pellets, are you familiar with the hollow-head rule? She should have as many good quality pellets as would fit in her head (if it were hollow) every other day. If you want to divide up the amount so that she gets several small meals instead of one big one, that's fine, but be sure she doesn't get more (or less) in total than she should have.

On the cuttlebone, don't give up. Lot's of turtles are slow to figure out how good the cuttlebone is but eventually they catch on. She may not eat on it every day but when she feels the need for calcium then she will nibble on it. You can leave pieces of cuttlebone in the tank all the time for her to graze on when she feels like it. Cuttlebone is the best readily available source of calcium for a turtle.

One more question - I see gravel in the bottom of the tank with fish in it. I suppose that's for fish only and there isn't any gravel in the turtle's tank. Is that right? Gravel is fine for fish (and pretty!) but it's a health hazzard for turtles, as you probably know.
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Post Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:36 pm   

At her age, the damage to the shell is pretty much permanent---the younger they are when this happens, depending on the degree of upturn, the better the chance of reversing it.

That doesn't mean, however, that you can't give her a long and happy life by providing a balanced, varied diet and a good habitat with proper lighting.
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Post Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:52 pm   

Did you ever take the baby to the vets? Without vet care of course it won't get better.
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Post Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:35 pm   

Thank you all!!
I will have to take the little baby to the vet ASAP because her tail mysteriously fell off... It wasn't Toutolina - it got off somehow by itself. I put antibiotic cream on the stub to prevent infection.

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