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Post Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 6:30 pm   Turtle Farmers See an Opening for a Recovery

We've discussed about this before... it doesn't look very good for us right now.

Turtle Farmers See an Opening for a Recovery
MONROE, La., May 12 (AP) — In 1970, salmonellosis, a disease associated with pet turtles, was diagnosed in 250,000 American children, and by 1975 the Food and Drug Administration had imposed a ban on the sale or distribution of turtles with shells smaller than 4 inches across — the size commonly sold as pets.

The ban had a multimillion-dollar impact on Louisiana. Beginning in the 1940s, the state was home to hundreds of turtle farms primarily raising red-eared sliders for pet stores across the country.

Now that scientists at Louisiana State University have developed a procedure to make baby turtles 99.9-percent salmonella free, two Republican congressmen from Louisiana, Senator David Vitter and Representative Rodney Alexander, have introduced legislation directing the F.D.A. to lift the ban. And Senator Mary L. Landrieu, a Louisiana Democrat, attached an amendment ending the ban to a wide-ranging bill affecting the F.D.A. that has passed the Senate. Vitter is a co-sponsor of the Landrieu amendment, which still needs House approval.

“The F.D.A. is holding pet turtles to a standard that is impossible to reach — one that even food products are not expected to attain,” Mr. Vitter said in an interview about his legislation.

Turtle farmers question why the F.D.A. singled out turtles when other pets, like lizards and birds, also carry salmonella.

Louisiana has more than 60 turtle farms, mostly in northern Louisiana, and the state Department of Agriculture estimates turtles are a $9.4 million industry.

“Over the years, they had a fairly limited marketing outlet,” said Greg Lutz, aquaculture specialist at the L.S.U. AgCenter Aquaculture Research Station.

Louisiana turtle farmers discovered a major market in China, but it declined as the Chinese began growing more of their own turtles.

Very few turtles sold to the Chinese are kept as pets. Most are grown to about one pound and used for soup.

Chinese prices for turtles have fallen from $1 to 30 cents.

So turtle farmers began to organize and formed the Louisiana Turtle Farmers Association. Then the Aquatic Chelonian Research and Promotion Board was created as a state commission to protect the interests of turtle farmers (“chelonian” refers to creatures with shells, namely turtles and tortoises; the aquatic designation in the board name eliminates tortoises).

Macon LaFoe, a partner in McEnery Turtle Farms in Morehouse Parish, said the current price “is less than it costs to raise the turtles.”

“We have a chance to make substantially more money selling turtles in the United States,” Mr. LaFoe said. “We could actually make a living.”

“It wouldn’t be a get-rich-quick business,” he said, “but it would be a good, viable business for Louisiana farmers.”

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Louisiana Turtle Farmers In Shell Game With FDA
In the 70-something years since a Louisiana man first gathered turtle eggs along the railroad track and sold the hatchlings as pets, the turtle industry in Louisiana has experienced a roller coaster ride that may be at its lowest point.

The turtles-for-pets business started sometime in the 1930s when rural Louisianians gathered turtle eggs in the wild (generally along railroad rights of way through swamps) then hatched them and sold the baby turtles to pet stores. By the 1950s farmers were building ponds at the swamp edges – keeping the adult turtles in captivity and harvesting the eggs.

The process evolved and matured into an industry that, while still following many of the old practices, now uses sophisticated methods to combat salmonella bacteria, a problem that has put a damper on the business for more than 30 years.

Based on information from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta, in June 1975, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration banned the U.S. sale and interstate transportation of turtles with shells less than 4 inches across. Louisiana’s turtle farmers turned to international markets and haven’t had a domestic market since then.

"This is the only pet industry in the United States that has been restricted as a result of the potential health threat associated with salmonella, even though other pet industries and food-related industries also serve as potential threats," said Dr. Mark Mitchell, an adjunct professor in veterinary science at the LSU AgCenter.

The fight against salmonella in turtle hatchlings began in earnest in the early 1970s when the LSU AgCenter’s Dr. Ronald Siebeling, a professor of immunology, began working on a treatment for eliminating the disease from turtle eggs. In 1976, Louisiana turtle farmers began using Siebeling’s salmonella treatment.

That’s when the Louisiana Department of Agriculture and Forestry stepped in and sponsored legislation that made it mandatory for the eggs to be treated for salmonella and specified that a sample of each batch of hatchlings be tested by an FDA-approved laboratory. All Louisiana turtle farms were using the treatment by the mid-1980s.

Producing salmonella-free turtles and having them certified by the Louisiana Department of Agriculture and Forestry led to the opening of international markets, and the state’s turtle farmers developed a thriving business in Europe and Asia.

In 2005, Louisiana had 60 turtle farmers who produced more than 10 million turtles with a gross farm value of $4.7 million, according to the LSU AgCenter’s Louisiana Summary of Agriculture and Natural Resources.

Despite the international markets, Louisiana turtle farmers were still shut out of any domestic sales. Siebeling’s treatment method didn’t meet the FDA’s objections that the baby turtles be salmonella-free and not be reinfected by the bacteria.

So the research continued.

In 2003, Mitchell followed Siebeling and began developing more effective treatments using non-antibiotic compounds to control salmonella in the aquatic habitat of the turtles and the water turtles are transported in, as well as in an egg wash. In three research projects, Mitchell showed salmonella was significantly reduced or eliminated in water, eggs and hatchlings.

"It is important to me that those individuals evaluating this research realize that these results are consistent with those reported by researchers working on similar projects in other agricultural industries – poultry, swine and beef – and the pet reptile industry," Mitchell said.

"Unfortunately, the FDA has placed an unfair set of guidelines on the aquatic chelonian industry," he added.

Turtles are chelonians – reptiles with shells. Chelonians include turtles, terrapins and tortoises.

Mitchell said the guidelines – that salmonella be eliminated from hatchlings, that resistance to the treatment does not occur and that turtles don’t become reinfected with salmonella – "are unacceptable."

"I can provide hundreds of documents that show that salmonella cannot be completely controlled in poultry, beef, swine, vegetables and fruit," Mitchell said. "This is a small group of farmers with a very small voice. To shut them down completely is totally wrong."

Mitchell stays in close contact with the state’s turtle farmers, keeping them informed of what he’s doing and encouraging them not to give up. But the bureaucratic fight is a tough one.

"We’ve made definite progress," Sonny White said of the LSU AgCenter research that’s developed processes that have all but eliminated salmonella in the small reptiles. "We can produce a 98 percent salmonella-free turtle.

"The FDA cannot turn us down. But we’re going to have to file a lawsuit to do this. They’re not listening any more."

White, who raises 400,000 turtles a year on what he calls an "average size" farm near Jonesville, said the cost to raise a turtle ranges from 28 cents to 30 cents, and current market is paying 25 cents for each baby. Three years ago, the market price for baby turtles was $1.

Somewhere between 75 percent to 80 percent of Louisiana turtles are sold to China, where turtles are both pets and food. Mexico and Europe comprise the balance of the market.

The Chinese grow the turtles to about 1 pound – "sort of like we grow chickens," White said.

"We’re an industry that’s discriminated against," White said. "There’s not any food on today’s market that 98 percent salmonella free."

Washing eggs and treating hatchlings to prevent salmonella have been successful. But the third requirement – to demonstrate that turtles don’t become reinfected by Salmonella – is "impossible to accommodate," Mitchell said. That’s why the turtle farmers are asking the FDA why their industry has been singled out as no other has.

Mitchell has taken the fight to Washington, having traveled to meet with FDA representatives and staff members of Louisiana’s congressional delegation to discuss his concerns with current federal regulations restricting both the interstate and intrastate sale of turtles.

"Since the FDA's ban on selling small pet turtles began in the 1970s, pet turtle farmers in Louisiana have developed methods proven by scientific research to maintain a safe turtle, but the bureaucrats at the FDA continue to abstain from changing their flawed policy," said Sen. David Vitter, R-La. "The FDA is holding pet turtles to a standard that is impossible to reach, one that even food products are not expected to attain.

"Farmers estimate that domestic sales would be about $3 a turtle," the senator added. "If they receive half of their foreign market numbers domestically, our Louisiana turtle farmers could contribute up to $300 million annually to our economy. With methods to keep pet turtles safe, I believe the turtle farmers should have access to the domestic market."

Mitchell, White, Vitter and the rest of the Louisiana congressional delegation hope they can convince the FDA to rescind the strict regulations.

"There’s risk with everything we do," Mitchell said. "This one thing isn’t the only risk in anyone’s life."

Mitchell’s research, and Siebeling’s before him, has been funded by the state’s turtle farmers, who contribute one-half cent for each turtle they sell.

"They are investing in their own industry," Mitchell said. "They are the small family farm. I’m glad to represent them and serve as their liaison."

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 6:38 pm   

One more....

Turtle farmers take fight to the halls of Congress
By Bill Walsh
Washington bureau

WASHINGTON -- Americans cheer for sports teams named after turtles, watch feature-length movies and cartoons starring turtles and in some parts of the Midwest, actually race turtles. They just can't buy them at the pet store.

A ban by the Food and Drug Administration 32 years ago outlawed the sale of baby turtles as pets once believed responsible for a quarter-million cases of salmonella poisoning annually.

But Louisiana turtle farmers, whose once-bustling foreign markets are now all but shut off to them, are leading a charge up Capitol Hill to lift the ban that they say unfairly stymies their livelihood.

"Lizards, geckos -- they have salmonella and you can buy those in a pet store," said Phyllis Hamilton, co-owner of Golden Baby Turtles Inc. in Monterey, a tiny community in rural east-central Louisiana. "It's discrimination totally against the baby turtle."

The FDA has remained firm, however, routinely issuing health alerts about the dangers of keeping pet turtles, especially small ones that children may stick in their mouths. In April, the FDA warned about a resurgence in illicit turtle sales and cited the death of a 4-week-old child in Florida from turtle-related salmonella as its most recent justification for upholding the ban.

Most, if not all, reptiles carry salmonella in their intestinal tracts and pass it through their feces. The bacteria can cause stomach cramps, diarrhea and fever in healthy people, and can be deadly for those with vulnerable immune systems.

One for the farmers

After years of lobbying, the turtle farmers scored a breakthrough last week when the Senate unanimously accepted an amendment by Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., to a drug regulation bill that would ease the 1975 ban on the sale of turtle eggs and babies with shells smaller than 4 inches.

Landrieu's legislation would require states to regulate the care, breeding and sale of turtles and force retailers to disclose the potential danger of salmonella. Her Louisiana colleague, Republican Sen. David Vitter, who offered his own proposal, has estimated that domestic turtle sales could be a $300 million-a-year business for the state.

Landrieu said she is confident that scientific advances in reducing salmonella in baby turtles during the past three decades have all but eliminated the threat to public health.

"The science and technology have caught up with the problem," she said. "I believe the safeguards are in place."

The Senate passed the drug regulation bill last week but the issue has not yet advanced in the House, where animal-rights groups such as the Humane Society of the United States are expected to oppose it. Still, the Senate victory was the first sign of momentum the turtle farmers have seen in more than a generation. And it comes at a difficult time.

The global market

When their product was banned domestically, turtle farmers turned to the international market. They looked to Europe and Asia, especially China, where high demand had almost wiped out some native species.

Turtle meat, a niche menu offering in the United States, is popular in Asia, and shells have long been used for medicinal purposes. Turtle eggs are much sought after for their supposed value as an aphrodisiac. Additionally, the tortoise occupies a sacred spot in Chinese mythology, representing longevity. One placed in the home is said to attract good fortune.

International sales certainly brought good fortune to Louisiana turtle farmers, who reside in some of the most rural, poverty-stricken areas of the state. Louisiana's warm, wet climate has made the state the nation's turtle-breeding ground. The LSU AgCenter reported that in 2005 there were 60 commercial farms producing 10 million turtles annually, nearly all for export.

Farmers fading fast

Three years ago, a popular local variety known as the red-eared slider sold on the Asian market for more than $1 apiece.

Then the bottom dropped out. Some U.S. farmers say that the Chinese colluded to force the price down. Others say the Chinese finally succeeded in raising their own crops of red-eared sliders. Whatever the case, the price began to plummet. Now, U.S. farmers are lucky to get 30 cents each.

"In two or three years, 85 percent of the turtle farmers will be gone. They can't hold on any longer," said Keith Boudreaux, whose Tangi Turtle Farm in Ponchatoula has been in the family for three generations.

Boudreaux concedes that in the 1970s, "People were farming in unclean situations." But, he said, much has changed.

Thirty years ago LSU immunologist Ronald Siebeling, a man of almost mythic proportions in the world of turtle farming, came up with a treatment aimed at preventing the salmonella bacteria from forming in baby turtles. Turtle farmers began using it right away. At the same time, the Louisiana Legislature began requiring annual inspections of turtle farms and testing of hatchlings at FDA-approved laboratories.

No guarantees

Siebeling died in 2002, but his work was carried on at LSU by Mark Mitchell, a veterinarian and epidemiologist.

Mitchell developed an egg wash and habitat treatment that he said reduced the likelihood of salmonella to less than 1 percent. In October, he took his findings to the FDA where he thought the scientists seemed impressed. He said he was stunned when he got a follow-up e-mail message saying that the ban would remain in force.

"Either they have short memories or they are bad scientists," he said.

Mitchell said the FDA doesn't merely want assurances that turtles sold at pet stores will be free of salmonella. They want a guarantee, he said, that the turtles will never develop it; they want a salmonella-proof turtle.

"It's impossible. You can't develop immunity," Mitchell said.

The FDA declined to comment for this story. After tainted spinach was yanked off grocery shelves last year and pet food this year, the agency has been under pressure to tighten, not loosen, safety regulations.

Blaming the lizards

Hamilton, the turtle farmer in Monterey, suspects that lizard breeders are applying political pressure behind the scenes. She points out that lizards, snakes and frogs can all carry salmonella but are allowed for sale in every corner pet store, while turtles remain banned.

"Somebody is influencing this," she said. "I don't know if it is others who sell reptiles, because I'm telling you, if the choice is between a lizard and a baby turtle, a kid will pick a turtle."

Reptile breeders call the allegations ludicrous. They say that turtles were singled out in the 1970s because they were such common household pets and known carriers of salmonella. Exotic lizards would only later gain popularity and because they frequently live in dry habitats, unlike turtles, have less of a chance of collecting bacteria.

"Honestly, the lizard people, especially the gecko people, are so focused on their own stuff, they probably don't consider the turtle people competition," said Larry Boyle, manager of Tim Tytle Lizards, a national breeder and dealer based in Oklahoma City. "The question is laughable. It would be better for the entire industry if the turtle people were more involved. The more there are, the better for all of us."

Mitchell, the epidemiologist who has since moved from LSU to the University of Indiana, is most frustrated that the federal government is imposing a standard on turtle safety that he said isn't required on any other consumer product.

"The government needs to play fair," he said. "There are risks associated with everything we do, from purchasing a gun to not preparing food appropriately to owning pet dogs. Parents should make decisions about what risks they are willing to take. This industry has gone above and beyond to make (its) product safe."

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 12:54 pm   

hmm,never heard of this before.
A salmonella free turtle?.I think thats just gonna cause more trouble.
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Post Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:27 pm   

It's too bad there's no market for muddy filth (like in Monty Python & the Holy Grail :D ... "Oh look! There's some lovely filth over here." ). The third world country of Louisiana would have plenty of income then. And they wouldn't have to torture any living creatures to do it! :o

Those turtle farms are basically just like the chicken farms and puppy mills. Totally inhumane and unsanitary. The poor animals. :evil:
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Post Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:03 pm   

Even if the Feds lift the ban, the farmers would have a long way to go to convince the individual states to go along. They are right about salmonella though, try eating undercooked chicken and watch what happens......
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