General Care Discussion :: Lotsa questions

Taking care of your turtle's overall health.

Post Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 12:44 am   Lotsa questions

Hey ya'll. I've got a few questions about my turts that I can't seem to find clear answers on and I'm hoping ya'll can help.

When we got them in late October 07, they were about 1". Dory was a solid dark green and could barely swim, Nemo was a mossy green with yellow stripes and was a much stronger swimmer. Today's measurement puts Dory about 4 3/4" and Nemo about 4". Any idea of just how old they might be? I have no idea how big a new hatchling is, but we assumed that they were the same age b/c they were the same size. Since they're not really growing at the same rate, now I'm not sure what's "normal" and whether they're growing too quickly. And at what age does their growth slow down?

I'm also convinced they're overfed. They get HBH turtle bites 2x a day, probably about 15-20 each time. About once a week they get about 1/4tsp dried shrimp too. It doesn't seem like one eats more than the other, just depends on whose closer to the food when it gets dropped in. I'm not sure how to tell if they're fat though, and they're not pyramiding, so I don't exactly have much to go with in order to convince my husband they're overfed. They love anacharis but ignore cuttle bone and veggies. They've got DH trained pretty well and do such a good job at begging that he's convinced they'll starve themselves to death if he changes their feeding habits.

Right now they're in a 10g L reptile tank, with about 6g water but we're planning to buy a bigger tank in a couple weeks. I'm keeping an eye on the greensheet and craigslist for a good deal, but if we gotta buy new, then we will. We're getting at least a 50g but maybe we should get a bigger one? And if we do, how much is that going to impact the lighting/filtration/heating setup? We already have issues with not being able to find a small heater that fits in the tank and keeps the water warm enough, or at least not one within our normal budget. We do have a small in-tank filter that we got from Petsmart but I don't think it does all that great of a job since we still have to change the water weekly. Dory likes to take showers under the waterfall though. ;)

Is it okay to take them out of the tank for short amounts of time and get them used to being held? DH goes nuts when I do it but I think it would make them more friendly and less afraid of us once they get bigger. They're both fairly social and will come out on their basking ramp to watch tv or just watch us. They're quick little things though (as I found out tonight when I was trying to take their pictures) which makes me a little hesitant to let them out. I think they'd have to go in a big box or something that they can't climb out of.

Oh, one more thing I just remembered. They flutter at each other nose to nose and then one will push the other away. It kinda looks like they're fighting, but they don't try to bite each other so I'm wondering if they're really just playing. We do stop them when we see it just in case it's signs of aggression, though. They'll go on their merry little way and like to sleep and bask laying on one another. Is any of this normal or are my turtles just weird? (All my other pets are, so I wouldn't be surprised if they are too. LOL)

Okay, that's enough for now. I know I probably sound uneducated about turtle care, but I figure we gotta be doing something right since they're thriving.

TIA!
2 RES: Nemo (~4") and Dory (~5")
2 cats: Samantha and Ginger
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Post Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 1:43 am   

They are fluttering because they are WAY too big for their tank and are having territory issues. You need to read over all the information located on the home page. The "Habitat" and "Basic Care" sections in particular. By now, to keep two turtles that are both over 4" in a tank together it should be at least 80 gallons, or more. (1 gallon of water per inch of turtle shell) Since they are already not happy with eachother as tankmates you should really start looking at two tanks or going a cheaper way and shopping for stock tanks or plastic storage containers.
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Post Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:18 am   

Size: That seems pretty fast for growth. Turts (usually but not always) get to be 3-4 inches after a year. Posting pictures would be the best way for us to determine how their growth is being affected.

Pellets: They should get the amount of pellets that would fit inside their head every day or every other day (I'm not sure because of their fast growth). Shrimp is very high in protein and should be reserved as a once a month treat. Try a variety of veggies, some turtles are picky about veggie tastes.

Tank: SERIOUS upgrade needed!! As RESnTX said, 10 gallons per inch of turtle is what's needed (4"+4.75"=8.75"x10=87.5 gallons. They will soon grow out of this size, though.)

Heater: A Stealth brand heater seems to be the best out there. The most powerful one is only about $20.

Filter: For a big tank, a canister filter would work best. The Rena Filstar and Fluval brands are the most used. They're not cheap though.

Handling: RES probably shouldn't be handled too much. Being reptiles, they like being kept to themselves. That isn't to say that they won't warm up though. Try holding pellets above the water whenever you feed them and see if they take it out of your hand. I've had my turts since July '07 and they're only now taking food from me.

Fluttering: is a sign of aggression (or mating). Since your turts are in such a small tank, they're probably fighting over territory.

Wow, that was a lot. :)

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Post Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 8:09 am   

Bob-ym -- Your tank needs to be up sized considerably. A 55 gallon minimum. Make sure you get an adequate filter at they doo a lot. Your turtles are big enough to feed every other day. Since they are the worlds best beggars it easy to overfeed them.
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Post Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 8:21 am   

First let me say that I know they need a bigger tank. I'm in total agreement with that. We were supposed to get a 90g a couple months ago from someone but I haven't been able to get in touch with him so apparently he changed his mind about giving it to us.

I've got a friend that might be selling her 120g aquarium; I'm just waiting on confirmation that her boyfriend is in agreement to do so. If not, we'll go buy something from the store.

Here's a picture of when we got them in late October (Dory on the left, Nemo on the right)
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Nemo last night
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Dory last night
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Sorry, the pics are bigger and kinda blurry, but I don't have time to resize them right now.
2 RES: Nemo (~4") and Dory (~5")
2 cats: Samantha and Ginger
1 dog: Roxy
1 husband and 2 boys

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Post Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 6:03 pm   

It's good that you're looking into bigger tanks, I'd say if you can keep them together, you'll need as much as a 200 gallon tank. It seems from the photos that their growth is normal. I'd say that you might be overfeeding them a little. Since you are feeding them twice a day, I'd cut it back to once a day with the 15-20 pellets. They are over 4" now, which is time to start feeding them a head-sized amount of pellets every other day, or half a head-ful once a day. Since they are close in size, I don't think one is hogging the food. My turtle shot up in size and now he's plateauing. Based on the pictures (try to get some new ones) and assuming they are over 4", you may have two females, which is good because then you won't need to worry about mating. Keep an eye out for nail growth or long tails in case you end up with a pair (and thus babies). And based on the original photo, I'm guessing they were less than a year old, but it's hard to say.

Oh, and a larger tank will incorporate more costs, once you get a nice filter, that's the biggest cost, but it will make you happy in the end. The heater shouldn't cost more than $30 for a very high wattage at PetSmart if you get the Top Fin brand, I have one, it's working great. Lighting, you should be able to still use the same lighting you have now, maybe need to incorporate an additional smaller light at the other end of the bigger tank to be able to see them better.
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