General Care Discussion :: Its been fun (Story of Thumper)

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Post Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:06 pm   Its been fun (Story of Thumper)

Its been fun on here but I believe this will be one of my lasts posts. I'd like to thank everyone on here for being so helpful when I had questions and needed to bounce ideas off of especially Steve and VeipaCray. I've been putting this off for a while hoping but looks like hope is lost. 

Last October I came across a reptile society in my province and found out they had a turtle up for adoption. I started to do my research which included this site as to how to take care of a turtle. Late November I believe it was I finally picked up my adopted turtle Thumper who had been abused by someone (viewtopic.php?f=14&t=28264&p=273470#p273470) . I gave her a nice home in a 50 gallon tank helped get her back to health . Later she was moved to a larger 100 gallon indoor pond which my father and I built for her around a 100 gallon stock tank (viewtopic.php?f=6&t=28773) and she moved in mid march and lived happily until last month :(

I was trying to clean my house up a bit and recoop some costs of the FX5 I just ordered by attempting to sell her old 50 gallon tank / stand / filter so I posted them on Kijiji reason for selling moved turtle to a new tank.  I had a couple people want it for next to nothing, one person even asked if I'd be interesting trading it for some body piercings (strangest response I've ever had). Time went on and didn't look like I was going to sell it. Then received a response for something looking for a home painted turtle. We got talking about turtles I provided some links being the turtle lover I am to different websites suggesting they check them out for care etc. We arranged a time for them to come look at the tank. This is great I might actually sell my tank.  I'm making dinner I just turned the burner on the stove to make some food. My door bell rings. I'm expecting someone but not yet. I open the door to find 4 armed conservation officers. I'm a little shocked as to what's going on. I am then served with a search warrant for my house for "1-Red Eared Slider Turtle... being kept in captivity without a permit of licence"

Needless to say I'm baffled, confused, frustrated, upset, angry you name it.  I quickly put two and two together why they are here or rather how they know I had a turtle thanks to a fantastic waste of government resources time and money trolling on kijiji.  All this time I was under the impression that you were not allowed to buy/sell turtles. Sure enough I can find that in the wildlife act unless you are a museum,  educational (ie university) or zoo you aren't allowed to sell turtle due to fears of salmonella (that's another rant I could go off on). There is nothing explicitly stating you cannot own a turtle. We have two lists one for permitted and banned list. The permitted list is typical pet store animals iguana's, geckos, snakes, and other mammals. The banned list, constrictor snakes, anything poisonous, venomous, primates, bears, wild boar, crocodilians, endangered etc. Yet no mention of any turtles.  This is sadly a grey area in which the powers at be can declare anything that falls outside of these two lists exotic wildlife.  

To me declaring a RES as exotic wildlife is absurd. The turtle the most popular in the pet trade being exotic? To me unbelievable. Its certainly not a native species to where I live however it has been in my province due to the pet trade for approximately 50 years as my mother growing up had two. I can even drive a few hours over to the next province and purchase a turtle. Simply retarded.

I then had my turtle seized and removed from my house. I showed the officers to her enclosure "Wow" the lead officer said when he looked at it.  Sadly this entire time I've been talking to the conservation officers regarding the reasons etc I knew more about Thumper and turtles in general then they did while they seized her. They then proceeded to educate me hand washing etc regarding salmonella. I did everything I could to bite my tongue.  They then took her away.

I provided a statement explaining where I got her from because in my mind I did no wrong. The entire time they were apologetic saying it was their fault for not educating people. A lot of good that is doing.... Finally they left with me not knowing what to do.  I told a few friends and it quickly made it back to the reptile society who rescued her in the first place. I got a message from one of my friends telling me to call a number and ask for a specific person. I talked it over with the one of the girls from the reptile society who were livid this happened.  They were under the same impression I was regarding turtles. Here's the increible kicker.. They have worked with conservation in the past and conservation knows what they do yet they never mentioned this little unknown fact about laws around turtles. If I knew this fact I never would have adopted a turtle, if they (reptile society) had known this they never would have adopted the turtle out. After I explained everything to them they attempted to use their contacts to try and resolve this issue. Asking that Thumper be returned to me with the proper permits to live out her life with me. We waited and waited and we were never explicitly told "no, and go away" so there was hope.  We waited longer I was trying to be positive. I then found out bad news. Didn't look like they were going to comply with our request and they had already shipped Thumper off to a place in Ontario to a zoo.

With that last part pretty much put the final nail in the coffin for my childhood dreams of having a turtle. So doesn't look like I'll ever be able to get a permit and even if I did the chances of me getting Thumper back slightly less then zero.

So that's the story of me and my turtle Thumper. I really hope she is doing already. Poor girl was through a lot. I wish you all well with your turtle adventures and I just hope they turn out better then mine. For the time I had her it was great. I just wish it didn't end the way it did.
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Post Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:34 pm   Re: Its been fun (Story of Thumper)

I'm really sorry that happened to you. I can't believe conservation officers don't have anything better to do than remove turtles from loving homes.
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Post Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:07 pm   Re: Its been fun (Story of Thumper)

im sorry to hear that, that is one of the most rediculous stories i have ever heard. and you put all that work into that awesome habitat too. 4 armed officers for a turtle!? talk about wasting the taxpayers dollars
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Post Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:10 pm   Re: Its been fun (Story of Thumper)

Exactly, that is just ridiculous! I'm so sorry! Where do you live?
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Post Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:12 pm   Re: Its been fun (Story of Thumper)

That's crazy. I would just get another one anyway. Stupid laws.
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Post Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:03 am   Re: Its been fun (Story of Thumper)

Man!! This Is Just Wrong.. Are Permits Necessary In USA To Keep Turtles ?
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Post Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:02 pm   Re: Its been fun (Story of Thumper)

I'm in Nova Scotia. I considered getting another turtle but I don't want to have to go through any of that again so if I were to get one I'd want to have all the silly permits in place. Right now I've converted it into a fish pond with a few Jack Dempsey. Less exciting :(
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Post Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:42 pm   Re: Its been fun (Story of Thumper)

A very sad conclusion :( I think you showed great restraint in an extremely difficult situation. Were you able to get some media attention? Don't give up your turtle keeping dreams..
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Post Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:06 pm   Re: Its been fun (Story of Thumper)

This is absolutely heartbreaking. I read your build thread and the tank you made was awesome looking. :(
I am so sorry they took Thumper away. I bet she misses you...
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Post Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:47 pm   Re: Its been fun (Story of Thumper)

I'm sorry for your loss.

I don't know canadian law, but would you be able to fill out paperwork and turn your house into a private school or private petting zoo? IE an educational facility or private research zoo? Maybe if you declared yourself a private research zoo, you could do a zoo-to-zoo adoption of Thumper and get her back.

In the US if you were a not-for-profit research zoo or educational institution you might be able to make yourself sales / property tax exempt. :D
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Post Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:51 am   Re: Its been fun (Story of Thumper)

We decided not to Steve as we were making progress.

Ahaha VeipaCray that was one thought because there are other turtles out there. It looks like DNR (department of natural resources) is listening. One thing that I wanted to come out of this if I couldn't get my turtle back is education for the public so this doesn't happen again. I could only imagine if this happen to a loving family with a few kids rather then the grumpy guy I am :D.

Last weekend was the reptile society's yearly reptile show and DNR provided new pamphlets stating that turtles and tortoises aren't legal pets. Not that I'm happy that they aren't legal but at least the educational factor is getting out there. There is still work to be done but I believe DNR is going to work with the reptile society to revamp excluded/permitted list from the reptile side of things. There are some other common reptiles that are out there in the pet trade that technically aren't legal to own because its not written on paper. I'm more talking about subspecies of already approved species. Not to mention the turtles that have already been adopted out. It sucks what happened to me but I wouldn't want to see it happen to anyone else!

If I were offered another turtle legally from this process I'd take it but since I don't think that's going to happen. So I'm waiting to adopt a iguana or a skink.
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Post Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:26 am   Re: Its been fun (Story of Thumper)

I feel sorry for the rescue you received Thumper from. What are they going to do with their turtles now that they can't adopt them out. Sadly that will mean no room for new turtles that need rescuing. This whole thing is really absurd. I really wish government agencies would get educated. There are a lot of more important things going on in this world than taking a turtle from it's happy home. :x
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Post Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:30 pm   Re: Its been fun (Story of Thumper)

I say screw the government and get a turtle. I would.
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