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Taking care of your turtle's overall health.

Post Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:24 am   All sorts of general care questions. [Now with pictures]

I now have in my room a RES turtle, male. Not sure of the age but it's at least a couple of years, shell is about 12x13cm (4.7x5.1inches). It's the first turtle I've ever had.
His last owner was sort of unstable, and I'm not sure what kind of life he's had so far. I'm new at this and although I've been reading a lot about res care I just don't have experience and I worry about a lot of things. I decided to make this thread and get some advise from people with experience and maybe ease my mind.
The problem is where I live he's illegal so I can't take him to a vet, and finding an experienced owner willing and able to adopt would take time. In the mean time I want to take good care of him, and I hope to keep him.
Here is a really long text to describe anything I think may be relevant, so thank you in advance to anyone who actually takes time to read it, and especially comment :)

He has a ceramic heat lamp and a UV light with a timer (shines from 8am to 6pm, is this good? It's how it was set when I got it.). There's a filter that looks old, I think I'll replace it soon. There is no water heater and I'm having problems keeping temperature stable, living in an old house and a cold country. Water heat now is probably too cold, only about 68°Farenheit. I'm looking around for a water heater but it's not easy here.
I'm feeding him the pebbles he had (Nutrafin), a bit of dried freshwater shrimp and veggies. He likes cucumber and carrot, really loves pumpkin. He has a good appetite and will eat almost anything I give him. He gets excited and splashes around and stretches his head up to grab the food from my hand. I've started using tongs to avoid finger-biting accidents.

Biggest problem is the tank he came with, it's way to small. I'm financially restricted so I can't immediately get him a bigger one. The rock that was in the tank was too small for him to bask on anymore, it must have been put in before he grew so big. I had to turn it on its side to have a surface area large enough for him to sit on, but now it's lower and the water level is too low. I feel awful about this situation but outside is frozen and covered with snow so I can't find better stones, and I can't find any fake rocks big enough or the kind of platform that sticks to the wall in any petshops around.
What I'm planning to do is build a sort of box the size of the tank to attach beside it, and have a ramp made leading out of the tank. Then I can fill his tank with water so he'd have plenty room to swim AND plenty room to bask and explore and do whatever. This current situation is just absolutely unacceptable and I won't let guests see him out of shame :(

As for the little guy himself. I can't see anything that looks really wrong with the shell. No white spots or anything that looks like shell rot or cracks. It's not soft, but it's a dull brown colour, not green like I've seen in photos. The shell looks like there are growth lines, some thick and some thin like he had periods of growing a lot and being healthy and also periods of being sort of... maybe fed too little or something. It's a guess, based on the bipolar nature of his previous owner. Recently it has been looking bad, with brown splotches and even more dull, but it's shedding now and there is very dark but healthy looking shell underneath. The belly of the shell had a part that was sort of peeling off, that part sheds too, right? He doesn't seem concerned by it at all even if it scratched on the floor when he was walking.
He is shedding a lot of skin, too. Just the other day the loose skin started looking pink or red-ish, and I noticed the skin has a red hue around the base of the legs. I googled and I think it may be bacteria infection? I'll keep the water as clean as I can and keep an eye on this. If it get's worse and I can't go to a vet, is there some non-prescription way to fight that bacteria? Should I bee concerned if he has loose skin and sheds for a long period of time? How long are they usually doing this?
His skin also doesn't have good colours like in photos. The spot on his head is yellow not red, but it's not bright. It's sort of brown and... just dull. The white lines also have a brown hue and are not very clear.
His eyes look fine, not puffy and open just fine.

He eats well and poops fine. I dry him and let him walk around in the living room for a while after every feeding (can't let him roam free though, because of cat and old house death traps). He gets excited about that and is curious. When he is walking and lifts a front leg to step, sometimes the shell sort of clunks to the floor. Is this normal? I was worried that maybe his muscles were too weak, but he dashes over thresholds without problems. He has also peed and pooped on the floor, is that a stress thing or just a slob thing?
If I pick him up he is fine for a moment (or scared? It's hard to tell because I may not know how 'fine' really is with him) but then starts flailing around and scratches at my hands to get free. He likes to be on the floor and walk around.
He likes to move around everything that's loose in the tank, I've removed all but the biggest rocks to reduce the noise. He did it at night too, is it alright for them not to respect bedtime hours? Even sleep during the day? He moves the filter around too, the rubber rings that are supposed to keep it in place aren't strong enough for him. I've given up fighting him on this. I figure it's his room so he can place the filter where he likes it (as long as it's still submerged).

The tank was first set up in the living room, sort of high up and he liked to watch the people. I had to move it into my room a few days ago and since then he has just sat in one corner of the tank, watching me. Sometimes he swims frantically against the glass for a long time or raises himself up against it and scratches at it. Is this just attention seeking? Excitement to get out of the tank and walk around? The famous RES food begging? Anyway it worries me because he won't climb on his rock. I know the shell needs to dry out every now and then and he has just been sitting in the water for days. I've tried putting him on the rock but he immediately jumps back into the water. When I'm letting him walk around it's not really long enough to dry the shell completely. My father thinks it may have to do with the view. Do you think I should move the rock to the corner he now sits in to watch me? It's strange that he chose this corner because it's where everyone walks past the tank on the way in and out of the room and the door opens and closes close to it. He doesn't get startled often but I think I'll cover that side of the tank anyway to see if he takes to the rock, and also to block any draft coming from door opening/closing.


So yeah, that's a lot of text and probably some useless facts in there too. But if there's something I'm doing really wrong, or overlooking, or if you just want to offer some general advise I'd be grateful for it.


One last thing, that hunk of a shell still doesn't have a name! He's just been called 'Turtle' or some cutesy variant of that by me and the family. I think he deserves a proper name so suggestions are welcome as well :)
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Post Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:21 am   Re: All sorts of general care questions.

Would you have trouble getting reptile specific supplies, specifically a UVB bulb (you didn't specify that your bulb was one)?

A regular incandescent could be used instead of a ceramic heat lamp. They are significantly cheaper and provide a nice warm light that offsets fluorescent light.

For older RES, the 68F is actually acceptable. However, the low to mid 70s seems to work best for them. A stable temperature is fairly important, so I wouldn't hesitate on picking one up.

How big is the tank now? Are you certain he's a male?

Can you post pictures of the shell and skin? The shed skin too, if you snapped it in the water?

The clucking and any dragging sound you hear is normal when they are on a hard surface. The pooping, peeing and flailing you describe is perfectly normal.

Attention seeking is more like food seeking as he associates you with his food.

As for names, people usually wait before some trait reveals a name :)

And welcome to the site!
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Post Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:55 pm   Re: All sorts of general care questions.

Thank you Steve!

I'm no expert but little good lookin' has pretty long claws and tail, and going by illustrations of gender difference I'm fairly confident I've got a male one.
I know of one or two places that sell food and accessories for reptiles. I haven't had time to check them since I decided to look for a heater but I hope to find one there. The bulb is marked "Exo Terra Repto Glo 2.0 UVB" and the heat lamp is Exo Terra too.

The tank is about 23x11 inches (60x30cm).
Following are a lot of pictures so apologies to anyone with a slow connection.

The tiny tank:
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Handsome himself (you can see the pinkish loose skin)
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and some skin that was floating around (the picture has a yellow tint but the skin got curled up so the redness is very visible)
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Some shell photos (aren't those growth lines weird?)
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In the last one you can see a particularly white spot that I didn't see a couple of days ago. I was afraid it had to do with him staying in the water and not basking. So after feeding earlier tonight I put him in a cardboard box lined with newspaper to dry. At first he tried to climb and get out, but after a while he calmed down and just sat in the end of the box I had covered with a towel. I left him alone while I ate dinner and when I got back he had torn up a few layers of the newspaper to crawl under and hide or something. I decided to let him be and he's been almost completely quiet for hours now.
It's not hybernation behaviour is it? I've been warming the room slowly and trying to keep the temperature warm and stable.

I've moved the rock to the other side of the tank, hoping he'll be more inclined to use it. Should I move him to the tank for the night or keep him in the box until the morning?
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Post Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:07 pm   Re: All sorts of general care questions.

I also found in his tank a piece of poop that seemed way to big for his size. I think I may be over feeding him, I've just been letting him eat as he likes for about as long as it takes me to clean the filter.
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Post Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:06 am   Re: All sorts of general care questions.

From the pictures, I'd say you have a girl. Next time, try to get a UVB bulb that is 5.0.

She has some retained scutes, though it does look like she sheds occasionally. There appears to be some fungus and that needs to be monitored carefully. Fungus can spread very quickly, so if that does happen, you might want to start planning some treatments.

The growth lines are irregular, but not that bad. A few good sheds and her shell would be a bit more smoother. Keep her on a varied and consistent diet.

As for the loose skin, I would try giving her a gently scrub next time. She does have an excess of it and it shouldn't be that pink.

RES will usually sleep when given a quiet, dark area. It's not hibernation (brumation) so make sure she doesn't get cold.

Poop can be large sometimes... you should see the size of the eggs they can lay.
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Post Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:08 am   Re: All sorts of general care questions. [Now with pictures]

Really? I thought those claws were SO long! Shows what I know.
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No matter, I'll love her all the same.

I was afraid it might be fungus, although it's not soft or fluffy and doesn't seem to scrub off. I should keep taking her out of the tank to dry then?
She still won't use the basking rock, even though she would rather still stay in the end of the tank I moved the rock too. She's actually been lying in the water with her back legs stretched out as if she were basking. I would be worried that it's too difficult for her to get on the rock, but I can't see how it could be easier. Also, when placed on the rock she'll just dive right back into the water.

I'll try a gentle scrub, although she doesn't like me touching her legs and will probably drag them into the shell and make it difficult.


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Post Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:00 pm   Re: All sorts of general care questions. [Now with pictures]

Oh wait. If it's female and all grown up, could it be she needs to lay eggs?

Also she is shedding really thick pieces of upper shell (even strong light barely shines through it) and paper-thin flakes of the bottom shell. This is... good?

Attempting to scrub didn't go very well and she wasn't happy with staying still. But I got a lot of loose skin. In fact there is a lot of skin floating in the tank and in the filter. I'm cleaning it everyday, going to do it twice daily I think. The shed skin is getting a stronger pink color and I'm getting more and more worried about this blood infection I read about.


I don't understand why she started getting it here, where I'm pretty sure I keep the water cleaner and the food more varied and regular than she had. Could it be a late result of insufficient water quality? Or am I doing something wrong that's causing this to happen now?
Geez I'm stressing over this :/
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Post Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:22 pm   Re: All sorts of general care questions. [Now with pictures]

It's possible she might need to lay eggs, even if she is kept alone.

Shell fungus is different from skin fungus. So she's still shedding a lot of skin?
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Post Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:37 am   Re: All sorts of general care questions. [Now with pictures]

Belltower, RES are also illegal where I live, but two veterinarians have seen my turtle without any problems. Today I was actually thanked for removing an invasive species from the native turtle (Yellow Bellied Slider) habitat :). If she needs a vet visit or treatment I recommend calling around and just seeing what people have to say. Obviously you care for her and as long as the vet knows you won't release her into the wild, I don't think you'll have a problem.
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