General Care Discussion :: Shell fading

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Post Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:40 pm   Shell fading

Hi all,

I've outlined this concern in my introduction but would like to open it up here for feedback. My turtle, Napoleon (western painted turtle, 7+ yrs old) recently had a bout of pnemonia. He had stopped eating, and was breathing heavily, but what panicked me enough to rush him to the animal emergency room was that over the course of a day, his color changed from greenish black to a paler green that clearly shows his markings. The change occured on the front half of his carapace, and was clearly marked, in that his front scutes changed color, and the back ones did not. There was no gradation. I was told by two vets that it was probably a vitamin A deficiency and to push foods high in that. So we have done that, but rather than see improvement, we've seen the back half of the carapace slowly fade to match the front, and the plastron seems a bit dull as well.

Does anyone have any input on the situation? I've been told that because of his age the color may not return, but I want to be certain that we're clear on what's causing it, and do the best we can for him. So any questions, comment, ideas and input are welcome and appreciated!
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Post Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:09 pm   

How long has it been since he's recovered? Did the color change before he was given medication or after (I'm assuming he was given something)? An off-the-wall though, perhaps, but if he changed color while he was on medication, perhaps that had something to do with such a rapid change.

I have some Eastern Painteds, not as old as yours (about 2 years) and most of them are really dark (I have a preemie who's more darkish brown than black). There are a number of adults living in a nearby brook/pond, though, and even as adults they're just about black. I've never heard of a color change as drastic or quick as that. Could you post a picture?
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Post Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:41 pm   

Is it possible that it's mineral deposits from the water? There are many other possible causes of color change... but a picture will be very helpful.

Here are some pictures: http://www.austinsturtlepage.com/Care/medshell.htm
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Post Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 10:00 am   

I had wondered about the possibility of mineral deposits but I couldn't really tell from that photo whether that's what I'm looking for. I've posted an album of pics at

http://public.fotki.com/littleoldcowgirl/napoleon/

along with comments, so please check it out and let me know what you think!
Napoleon - Western Painted Turtle
Apollo - Eastern Box Turtle
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Post Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 10:53 am   

I was looking at the pics & reading the captions, and noticed that you said you use vitashell on his shell. If so, don't use it. Turtles don't need this cream on their shells. Reason is that their shells need to breath & the cream doesn't help the "breathing." You know, kinda like using fingernail polish all the time....it doesn't help the quality of a person's nails to constantly cover them up with polish. A turtle's shell is similar to the material found in your fingernails.

The light coloring between the scutes could also be caused by overfeeding. How much & what are you feeding him & how often do you feed him? Reason why I ask is because the light colored areas are areas of "growth" and a turtle's shell will only stretch so much to accomodate him gaining weight quickly (kinda like "stretch marks" in humans). Let us know!

I also agree with all the other comments made here about the color change possibly being due to the antibiotics or him being sick. Other than that, I think his shell looks very good & I commend you for taking such good care of him when he was sick (taking him to the vet). Glad to hear he is doing better. :D
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Post Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:15 am   

The color change happened before he received the antibiotics, but after the onset of pnemonia. When I have veggies to feed him, usually about 50% of days, I give him a large leaf of romaine or a chopped up baby carrot and let him eat as much as he wants throughout the day, then remove the leftovers when I get home from work. Otherwise he gets Repti-min, probably about 10 sticks twice a day. I didn't know until reading around this community that it was possible to overfeed, how much is appropriate?
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Post Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:33 pm   

Starchick wrote:The color change happened before he received the antibiotics, but after the onset of pnemonia. When I have veggies to feed him, usually about 50% of days, I give him a large leaf of romaine or a chopped up baby carrot and let him eat as much as he wants throughout the day, then remove the leftovers when I get home from work. Otherwise he gets Repti-min, probably about 10 sticks twice a day. I didn't know until reading around this community that it was possible to overfeed, how much is appropriate?


The feeding amount guideline is to feed him the amount of food that would fit in his head if it were hollow (does not include the neck).

Twice a day is too much. Cut back to once a day for the Reptomin & don't let him overfeed on the veggies either. I only give my RES a *set amount* of food whether it is veggies or foodsticks. I don't let her determine how much she "wants" to eat because if I did that, she would never stop eating (my turtle is a pig)! I feed my adult 11" RES mainly once every TWO days. In between main feeding days, I might give her a piece of lettuce that is about 2" in size. Or once in a great while, she gets a treat like ONE fresh blueberry or raspberry in between main feeding days.

Hope that helps! :)
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Post Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:38 pm   

Wow, yeah, Napoleon's a pig, I've seen him go through a leaf about the size of his shell in a day, so I will definitely keep that in mind in the future. He's such a pathetic beggar though, he's always asking to be fed.
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Post Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:52 pm   

Starchick wrote:Wow, yeah, Napoleon's a pig, I've seen him go through a leaf about the size of his shell in a day, so I will definitely keep that in mind in the future. He's such a pathetic beggar though, he's always asking to be fed.


I soooooo know what you mean.....Sheba has never missed a meal either. I can't even decorate her tank with real or fake plants because she would EAT *all* the plants, regardless of what they are made of! :roll:
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Post Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:54 pm   

He's definitely a sweet-looking painted. :) I think he needs to shed again. Overfeeding can make the need for shedding more frequent. I'm wondering if the meds would contribute to this as well.
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Post Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:15 pm   

Gorgeous turtle! I love the red tint on the edges of the shell. Oh, and I think everyone's turtles beg constantly. They are kinda like dogs ... as long as you keep feeding them, they will keep eating. Definitely cut back to feeding pellets just once per day that you give pellets.
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