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Post Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 10:57 pm   The kid won't eat ..again

9 inch cooter in a 100 gallon in ground pond. 2 aquarium heaters keep the water in winter 72-76 degrees. Every August she stops eating her turtle food, which she eats by the truckload all spring and summer. I'm sure she wants to hibernate but we have preditors. She is already missing part of a front foot, we think from a Rac attack, so she comes in everynight and sleeps in the closet. Her appetite is always decreased in winter and she gets by on cooked chicken, raw steak, shrimp, worms, snails, slugs etc. I dry rub the people food with vitimans. She has all but stopped eating the last 3 days. The only thing she wants is snails, and this ain't the time of year for them--very few in the yard. She won't even look at her freeze dried krill, her most fav treat. I picked her up this morning, and she felt like a feather. She has been ripping up the lettuce I float for her, but I can't tell if she is eating it. She seems frantic to get out of the pond, I let her out, she runs around and then flings herself back in. She is not herself and this is the first winter I am worried.
Not much basking going on, weather related and the sun is not at a good angle in the yard. Any ideas? This kid can stress me out like no other.
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Post Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:01 pm   

Does she lay eggs?
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Post Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:33 pm   

She has not laid any eggs in the 4 years I have had her. She feels so light now I don't believe she has any on board. She has spent the last 10 mins under a basking light, a record. She is usually done after 2-3 mins. The basking situation isn't good..i bring her in and place her but it's already dark and she has been asleep in the pond. I don't think she cares for having the bright light of day, after dark. She's walking around now..I'll put her in bed soon. Another day tomorrow trying to figure out what she'll eat..if anything.
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Post Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:38 pm   

hum, it sounds like hibernation to me...my turtle did exactly the same, and she won't even touch her favorite baby shrimp when during october during her hibernation. Few years ago, I learned how not to let them hibernate by place heat lamp in their environment, once it gets really warm, they will have appetite again, my turtle has been doing great even in winter time now, and I fed her at least one time a day during winter.
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Post Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:08 am   

Water temps at 72-76 will not induce hibernation. An adult turtle should be able to handle that just fine. What is the air temps? (Especially at her basking area?) I'm not sure what you mean by first winter (you mentioned "every August"). It's possible she's adjusting to the weather, but if she can't bask, then I would bring her inside.

Where are you located?
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Post Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:18 am   

She's outside. We have a 2 hole electricial outlet (outdoor rated) and both heaters use that. The filter is on a separate circuit. I would not be comfortable hanging a light over the pond ..even with some kind of screen. You think it's a daylight/basking problem? You know, we used to have 2, 300 watt heaters. One broke, now we have a 300 and 250 watt, wonder if the water is not warm enough? I feel helpless, if I could only learn to speak turtle. She is such a great kid, I just hate not knowing how to help.
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Post Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:30 am   

Hi Steve-- I'm in the San Fransico Bay Area..not known for severe winters..maybe wet ones tho. The air temp the last week or so has been anywhere from mid 40's to mid 60's. I put her up on her basking rock when I am home at lunchtime hoping she'll take a hint. Warmer days she will hang out a few mins, cooler day she plops right back into the water..can't say I blame her. Likely a little chilly when you are already wet and hit that air. She does stop eating turt food, like clock work, every Aug but always muddles through the winter months on the foods I mentioned before. This year tho, well I can't remember her just refusing to eat. Kills me cause she seems to hungry, jumps on the food, spits it out or only has a few bites and then gives me the look. "Hungry here, feed me something I will eat" Sheesh, I'm going to have a breakdown if I see that look in those green eyes tomorrow.
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Post Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:00 am   

Well i can say that the 1 300 watt heater would have to work 2x as hard to just reach the same level of output of both of them combined. I really dont think that you can "overdrive" a heater. Maybe another heater is in order?

Also where is the pond located? You could anchor a light to the celing with chain so you wouldnt be to nervous, that'll be another way to bring the heat up.
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Post Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:04 am   

We always tell people that the basking area must be at least 10F warmer than the water to entice basking. At those temps, there is no incentive for her to bask.

What vitamins are you using? I would stop using them for now (unless you were instructed by a vet to do so) since they could be altering the taste of the food. Some RES are very very picky, but you can try some of the foods here www.redearslider.com/entice_eating.html

Next, you can try two different things: have a setup inside and contact a local herp society to find those with a similar setup as you. They may be able to provide some insight regarding your turtle's behavior.
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Post Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:48 am   

Steve- I have been using a 50/50 mix of Rep-Cal Herpivite and Rep-Cal calcium for the vitiman supplement on the people food. I have in fact "over rubbed" the food a couple of times, and she would not eat. Once I rinsed the food of the excess powder, she ate. She is not a RES, but a cooter and while they seem to have similiar traits one thing I have noticed when reading at this site, her food tastes are diiferent. Seems lots of RES owners have great luck in the veggie catagory. Not The Girl, she perfers meat..and of course Reptomin turtle sticks. I have read the link you posted and have some great ideas now --she loves canned tuna, so I will soak some food sticks tonight and let them cure for tomorrow. Also think the egg white idea is cool. I have no indoor set up for her, we have a 1 year old Sulcata tort, and his aparatus takes up all available room in the house. The Girl has done well these years outside, I just wish I knew what was different this tme around. I thank you so much for your help and advice!
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Post Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:47 am   

Sorry about the mistake. Anyway, she obviously dislikes the taste. As for veggies/meat...they will almost always have a preference towards it. You can try aquatic plants for her to become acclimated towards plants.

Just remember, those foods should only be used to entice eating (or as treats)! Good luck!
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Post Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:33 pm   

Steve and Muirner-- quick update. I set up a basking spot in our bathroom, last weekend. Shallow tub, flat rock and overhead full spectrum light. Varying degrees of sucsess with this, some mornings she is all for it, other mornings not. I try to give her an hour in the mornings before I leave for work. The snails have made a brief re-appearance in the yard so she has had many of those, plus she has agreed to some red worms and a few slugs. I have also been feeding some very non tradtional foods, and she is eating them. We are at the point now where she has stopped the constant "pacing" in the pond and is far more relaxed. Swims a bit and naps alot. I think I finally got enuf food in her that she is content. She rejected all attempts at canned goodies (mealworms etc) and actually recoiled in horror at the wingless canned crickets. The sun hitting the pond during the day has also increased alot since my last post and I think that is giving her some comfort. I have not seen her out on her rock yet (right now we are having very very cold weather, altho full sun) but she naps near the surface where the sun hits the water. I have noticed several posts of late with folks that seem to have the same concerns as me. I know she and I go through a drill every winter..but this year was almost too much for both of us. Thank you both for your help and support. I think we are on the right track now.
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