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Post Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:07 pm   Re: Do RES Play Possum?

**Update of the week**

Still has signs of pinkness on her plastron (towards the bottom), some where the skin meets the plastron under her head, and her "arm pits" - not good.
More concerning it that it is appearing on various quadrants of her body.
She is still eating turtle pellets - good
I snagged a bulb from my dining room and combined it with the CFL (still have the dome for supplement heat)
So far, so good - she has been out under the lights (CFL in particular) nearly all day - really good!
So there is definitely something positive to be say about your recommendation.
Her eyes are still a bit puffy, but in the big scheme of things, I am not super-crazy-concerned, because she is coming out on her own to sit under the lights.
We have a follow-up vet visit in two days - keep wishing us luck!
At minimum, let's hope she can finally go back in her tank!
As always, thanks for the support!
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Post Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:10 am   Re: Do RES Play Possum?

So is the pinkness on the skin or shell? Glad to hear of the improvements :)
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Post Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:27 am   Re: Do RES Play Possum?

Both. One zillionith less than how it was when treatment started. At first it looked like the images in my "algae post." While the images weren't of Penelope, they are pretty darn close.
Now, it is a very faint marbling on the lower scutes of her plastron. Under her head and "arm pits' it is isolated, but feathers out enough to differentiate it from a localized sore. Of course, I am so familiar with it by now that there is no need for me to second guess myself. I'll post a pic if i can get the lighting right - only because the way it looks now is how it would look at the onset for any RES who "crossed the threshold," but isn't septic yet.
I am still hopeful, but fully expect more antibiotics.
Like mentioned above, I'll be happy if she can go in the tank.
Last visit the vet said the RI appeared to be almost gone; the tank ban was based more on the "possum" behavior than the RI (didn't want to risk drowning)
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Post Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:23 pm   Re: Do RES Play Possum?

penelope wrote:
Last visit the vet said the RI appeared to be almost gone; the tank ban was based more on the "possum" behavior than the RI (didn't want to risk drowning)


Better safe then sorry especially with what she was doing.
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Post Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:43 pm   Re: Do RES Play Possum?

I hope she pulls through... It's very admirable how you are taking such good care of her.
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Post Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:59 pm   Re: Do RES Play Possum?

I'm pulling for penelope. To this point I've been a silent admirer, but her story is so crazy. Go penelope (and p's mom!).
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Post Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:48 am   Re: Do RES Play Possum?

Which repti-glo 5.0, the 13 watt or the 23 watt. The 13 watt is fine to use within 12 inches, and will be ineffective beyond that.
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Post Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:54 am   Re: Do RES Play Possum?

The 13 watt. Good info to know. I guess I just have to keep playing around with it.
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Post Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:53 am   Re: Do RES Play Possum?

Whoo Hooo!!!
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Results of the vet check-up:
- Lungs are clear, RI symptoms not present
- Fecal exam clear of flagellates and/or any other parasite
- Weight up from 1540 kg to 1620 kg
- Still some pinkness, but absent all other signs - NO MORE MEDS!!!!!
- Two more weeks of dry dock to let her continue to convalesce, and rid those final signs of pinkness
- Return visit in 2 weeks with an anticipated clearance to go back to her tank, albeit at 80-82 degrees
- Last hurdle to cross: two weeks without meds and no relapse

Penelope is a Super Trooper!
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She has almost overcome a condition that is often fatal (please remember, sepsis is not an illness, it is a symptom of an underlying illness like pneumonia)
She has overcome a bacteria/parasite infestation that can cause urinary tract infection, intestinal problems and death.
And, she has overcome a serious case of pneumonia

Grand Total for 9 Weeks of Vet Care, Tests and Medication: $472
The price sounds scary, but a) those are California prices and b) that is for three months of ongoing care for a MAJOR illness. It would be much less for illness caught at the onset – more like $175 (first visit, all meds, and a follow-up).
General Check-up: $55 + $28 for Fecal Exam – Blood work is more ($171), but it is a nice-to-have –
So, in California regular health checks will run about $75 dollars every ¬two years - the recommended time between check-ups.
Plus there is pet insurance; I just don’t know how much it costs.

Vet’s Take on the Whole Thing:
Considering the condition Penelope was in 9 weeks ago, she was extremely pleased. She attributed the steady rate of recovery to the consistent 80+ temperature (not the sole factor, but a very important one) and administering medication every single day.
Typically, when she is treating a turtle with a common ailment, but finds that the recovery waxes and wanes, there is a correlation between med administration and dry dock temperature. In particular:
1. Giving medication at random intervals (e.g., in the morning one day and late evening the next)
2. Failure to keep the dry dock habitat at 80 degrees ambient (not just under the basking light)
Let me say, she is a stickler for that 80 degree stuff (gradient 95). Day, night, under the light, in the far corners, the water soak temp…it doesn't matter.

80 or a bit higher like maybe 82 degrees (never lower) is the magic number

But the MAJOR CAVEAT – if the guy or gal is experiencing an onset of a major illness (e.g., pneumonia or some off-the-wall problem) this little 80 degree home could become a great environment for bacteria growth – if you dry dock, keep your eyes peeled for signs of decline versus recovery.

Last Piece of Trivia for Today:
I had the vet look over the ingredients of the Jell-O shots to see if they were OK for Penelope under the circumstances (I didn't use the calcium and I substituted kale with dandelions) – actually, the vet was a bit intrigued and made a copy of the recipe. So – they got big thumbs up!! I can keep offering them to Penelope to help increase her appetite (as long as I use dandelion, not kale) - of course she can't live off them forever.
If I use kale, she would like me to limit them to being a treat, only because of the oxalic acid.
And Now…
I’m off to the Habitat and Filter/Media page to get some cool ideas for a new basking area and tank set up 
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Of course, I'll keep this thread going until she is in her tank once more...
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Post Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:43 am   Re: Do RES Play Possum?

Thanks for the update! Great to know all is much better. Can't wait to hear about her taking laps in her tank :D
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Post Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:57 am   Re: Do RES Play Possum?

** Update of the week**
Well, I noticed that the pink under her chin is almost gone. She still has that pinkish hue on her plastron - in fact, it seems to increasing in saturation...only time will tell.
She was a bit lethargic today and her eyes are getting puffy again, but she has an appetite and is finally pooping daily, so I'm not overly concerned. I would have never thought that poop would be a joyous event. AH!!!
One week closer to getting her back to her "home"!!!!!!
I can't wait to get her back in her tank! though, I must admit that after 10+ weeks, I am going to miss having her next to my bed at night. Dang! I love that gal!
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Post Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:43 pm   Re: Do RES Play Possum?

Thats great news!
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Post Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:07 pm   Re: Do RES Play Possum?

Her skin is getting sooooooooooooooooo dry. Not surprising. She must think she is a box turtle by now.
I'm going to drop some wet towels in there tonight to create some humidity and see if helps with the dry skin. In the past she has made it quite apparent that she does not like those wet towels, but at this point I think it is in her best interest.

On another note, she has not eaten the past two days and in the same time frame has spent most of the afternoon and nearly all night clamoring to get out. With the smooth sides of her habitat, she just ends up sliding down with a big thump - over and over again.
It makes so much noise that I have wound up sleeping in the living room - breaks my heart to see / hear her sound so desperate.
I don't know what's up other than to guess that she has reached her breaking point with this dry-dock stuff - duh!
I really hope the wet towels make a difference.

I am still very concerned about the pink hue on the lower end of her plastron remaining unchanged since the vet gave her a respite from antibiotics.
I'm hoping the vet says that it is OK and will subside over time.
The next visit is on Tuesday. I guess I'll find out then.

well off to get her out of her tub and into her prison - :(
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Post Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:12 pm   Re: Do RES Play Possum?

She might be able to go back into her tank next Tuesday? Is there any light that might be distracting her at night?

What a trooper she's been!
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Post Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:59 pm   Re: Do RES Play Possum?

There seems to be a backslide going on here.

Dehydration / Going Nuts in Bin:
I put wet towels on the bottom of her bin, and then put a heating pad under the bin to create some warmth and humidity. I remember the vet told me about that awhile ago, but somehow I forgot (must be info overload) - I guess I should make a cheat-sheet; just another lesson learned.
It seems to be working - she is looking less dry and only tries to escape when I first put her back after her soak, which makes sense - another concept seemingly proven true.

Food and Digestion: Day 4 of food strike - other than two or three bites of tuna yesterday and today she has no interest in food. This occurred at the onset of her "crazy streak" so I'm hoping its just a matter of stress getting her down.
Of greater concern is her stool. Basically, she is excreting something that looks **exactly** like algae and nothing else. Only problem is, there isn't any algae where she's been living. So... has anyone ever seen this before? Urates were new to me, so I'm hoping this is something I am just not familiar with yet...just another item for the vet question list.

RI: Really, really concerning! She is starting to emit that little whistling sound from her nose when she breathes. Not wheezing - when she was making that sound before the vet attributed it to a stuffy nose, so I'm sticking with that explanation. Today on her second soak, she let out three large bubbles from her mouth. I chalked it up to an isolated instance and did not get overly concerned. However, when I put her in for another soak she did the same thing - so that has caused me to raise my radar.
She doesn't have bubbles coming out her nose, just those big bubbles from her mouth...I forget if that is the equivalent of burping or signs of an RI. It's weird...after all this time, I am beginning to get brain fade on what is normal and what isn't. Maybe I should go back and read my litany of posts - I can probably answer my own question, but I am no longer objective.

Sepsis: The symptoms of sepsis are increasing. The vet and I were hoping that two more weeks of convalescing would be the end of it. I keep mentioning that the pink hue on her plastron appears to be looking more saturated. Today, when checking her out, my fear came true. The bubble gum pink spread beyond the plastron. Now, clear as day, it has moved to her skin - right where the tail meets the plastron there is about 1/4 inch ring of that hideous pink. It wasn't there yesterday, so...
My heart has sunk and here I am.

Three days until the next vet visit. I am trying to remain cautiously optimistic, but…

2 weeks off meds + loss of appetite + weird stool + pink reappearing on skin = a very sad owner.
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