General Care Discussion :: The Dangers of Keeping multiple turtles together

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Post Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:18 pm   The Dangers of Keeping multiple turtles together

I will post all I know but I'm sure I don't know all the dangers so feel free to post some more :)

1. If one is a male turtle, and it starts fanning(the exposing of the reproductive organs) , the other turtle may bite its reproductive organ, resulting in a very serious injury or death.

2. They are opposite genders. Lets say one mates with the other one. The owner doesn't know it. The female has no place to lay her eggs. She becomes egg-bound and dies.

3. Aggression. Fluttering is a common sign of aggression, not just for affection or mating. The constant movement in front of one turtle's face will anger or annoy the turtle, causing biting and serious injury.

4. One turtle is much bigger than the other, and it hogs all the food, starving the other to death.

5.If one turtle gets a disease, and if it's contagious , the other turtle may get it too. Therefore, the vet bill will not be pretty, as you have to pay to treat two turtles.

I'm pretty sure these are not all the possibilities, so feel free to post some more hazards.

The point of this is to get owners that plan on keeping more than one turtle in the same enclosure to really think about their decision (sp?)

If you do, however, plan to keep multiple turtles together, be prepared to get a separate enclosure.

And if you do want another turtle, think about adopting one first. There are thousands of homeless animals out there, so please give them a chance :D

Thank you for reading! :D
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Post Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:58 pm   

I found this on ATP:
1.) 120 Gallon Tank Combo.: $650.00.

(Tank, Deluxe Glass Top,

Deluxe Fluorescent Light)

2.) 120 Gallon Tank Oak Cabinet Stand $450.00

3.) Fluker’s Black Clamp-Lamp $18.00

(250 watt rated; ceramic socket)

5.) ZooMed PowerSun 100 watt UV-Bulb $50.00

6.) 3 200 watt Tronic Submersible Heaters $70.00

7.) 2 FilStar XP3 Canister Filter $220.00

8.) FilStar Bio-Chem Stars (4 Containers Worth) $40.00

9.) Turtle Ramp (Large) (or do-it-yourself) $30.00

10.) Thermometer $5.00

11.) Python system (25’) $30.00

12.) 1 Can ReptoMin Aquatic Turtle Food $5.00

13.) 1 Cuttlebone $2.00

14.) 1 Clump Romaine lettuce $1.50



Total: ~ $1,600.

This is an estimate for a 120 gallon enclosure, which will hold two 6'' turtles. Meaning this isn't big enough for two full grown RES.
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Post Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:21 pm   

Yep, the cost of setting up a separate habitat is troubling too. Thanks, untsmurf! :)
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Post Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:10 pm   

I just want to add that a female turtle can and will lay eggs with no male present, and can become egg bound with no male present, so that is not a very good reason not to keep numerous turtles together. B/c it could happen anyway... So please provide mature females with nesting areas.....
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Post Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:12 am   

Males will harass females, and turtles, regardless of gender, can bite each other and potentially tear off chunks-- if not limbs.
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Post Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:23 pm   

Boogerbutt02 wrote:I just want to add that a female turtle can and will lay eggs with no male present, and can become egg bound with no male present, so that is not a very good reason not to keep numerous turtles together. B/c it could happen anyway... So please provide mature females with nesting areas.....


Females will lay eggs regardless of the presence of a male. But with a male you'll have to worry about fertilization which is a problem for some people. Some people feel too bad about destroying the eggs so they keep them and can't care for them. Or they hatch the turtles and either release them or put them into a rescue. So it is a problem IMO.
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Post Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:06 pm   

Untsmurf- I totally agree that it would be a problem for people not to destroy the eggs and hatch and release them.... It is my opinion that if you can't do the responsible thing and destroy the fertilized eggs, then yes you shouldn't keep males and females together.... I currently have my male and female together, along with two smaller turtles that I don't know the sexes of.... Any and all eggs will be destroyed!!! But thats me, and I guess others would disagree.
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Post Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:43 pm   

Boogerbutt02 wrote:Untsmurf- I totally agree that it would be a problem for people not to destroy the eggs and hatch and release them.... It is my opinion that if you can't do the responsible thing and destroy the fertilized eggs, then yes you shouldn't keep males and females together.... I currently have my male and female together, along with two smaller turtles that I don't know the sexes of.... Any and all eggs will be destroyed!!! But thats me, and I guess others would disagree.


Yes unfortunately some people can't do it. Which is sad. I'm glad that you are capable of doing the responsible thing. What size enclosure do you have your turts in?
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Post Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:14 pm   

Here is a link:

http://www.redearslider.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16604

They have free rein of the fenced in area and can not dig out... I have also noticed that the male and female have been spending a lot of time together in the same pond (I have two in the enclosure).... When I had them inside together, I had to separate them b/c he was bugging her and she bite him... So I agree that males and females can't live together in small spaces either; however, given enough space and my the ability to destroy the eggs, I don't think I would have the heart to separate these to again.... This is how I normally find them:
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Post Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:33 pm   

Oh yeah, I saw this thread. I think your enclosure is great! I think your enclosure is one of the exceptions for multiple turtles. You have a large outdoor pond with enough room for everyone. Just so long as you watch for digging and eggs, your pond won't get over populated.
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Post Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:19 am   

woh ... thats deep ... great enclosur man .. i love it ....
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Post Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:43 pm   

I have 2 RES in a 120 gallon tank and another 2 in another 120 gallon for 7 years now with no problems. I only had a issue when I upgraded the tank from a 55 to a 120 and it only lasted a month. Not saying this is with every turtle but my 4 have no issues.
Raising turtles is very rewarding..
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Post Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:52 pm   

have a HUGE tank helps. i wish i had 2 120gal. i wish i had one
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Post Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:57 am   

lol .. in due time man ... in due time lol ..
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Post Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 2:22 am   

I have 7 tanks at home a couple 120's and 90's and a 55 for feeders I got most of them off of craigs list very cheap. The last 120 I got with 2 giant filters the lights and covers for $350
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