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Post Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:25 pm   Newbie Questions!!!!!

Hey Everyone! Newbie here! My son's grandparents got him a RES and little did they know that there's a lot to them! So we're starting to get the hang of a couple of things. Scar (res) was bought from a pet store and as far as we know has never had any other food other that turtle food.
How should I introduce it to him and what should I start with? I read that you should feed them before they bask.
Do I feed him on the basking area?
I'm also not sure how often to feed him. He's a little ole thing. Maybe an inch or inch and a half.
His shell looks great but I put a big rock in there for the basking area and I'm noticing some algae building up on it. What should I do?
He is in a 10 gallon tank with a 5-15 gallon filter. He also does get quite a bit of sunlight through the windows.
Last but not least I'm still kind of unsure what kind of light bulb I need. I'd prefer to buy the kind that offers all of what he needs. Any suggestions?

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Post Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:53 pm   

Have you read through the info on the main site? It has detailed explanations of housing, diet, lighting, etc. You have a lot to learn! You should be feeding him a quality turtle pellet, like reptomin, every day while he's still little. Give him an amount of pellets that's about equal to the size of his head. Just drop them right in the water, they need to eat in the water to be able to swallow. For basking, you'll need a heat source (a regular incandecent bulb works great) and a UVB source. You can get compact flourecent UVB bulbs that screw into a regular lamp socket.

Read up on everything, then ask away about anything you're confused or unclear about. It's kind of a lot to absorb all at once, especially if you didn't quite know what you were getting into, but we're all here to help, so don't worry :D Also...if you have a camera, post some pictures of the little guy, we love baby pictures!
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Post Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:09 am   

Smit-1 -- The turtle food in pellet form is good and once a month you should feed him a little fish and some veggies once a week. When they are that small they are finicky eaters. Your turtle need at least 10 gallons per inch of the carapace. I would suggest that you buy at least a 20 gallon to start with as they grow really fast. Your filter should be measured in gallons per hour (gph) and not some ficticious number the fish people give you. You should get a filter pump that pumps at least 5 times the volume in the tank. Think in terms of gph and not "double" some figure. Turtles need a lot of water filtration as they poop a lot more than fish. Please take note on the water and basking temps and the uvb lighting. Good Luck!! m.
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Post Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:55 am   Re: Newbie Questions!!!!!

smithee1 wrote:How should I introduce it to him and what should I start with? I read that you should feed them before they bask.

You want veggies to become a staple and protein items are for treats, only. However, until your turtle grows a little, they are carnivorous moreso. So stick with a head-sized amount of pellets every day. It may seem like you are starving him, but you aren't. And it will prevent pyramiding in the future. Don't worry about feeding him before he basks, but finding a good consistent time for feeding is helpful.
smithee1 wrote:Do I feed him on the basking area?

Nope, turtles need water to digest their food because they don't produce saliva. Just drop anything you are feeding into the water for him.
smithee1 wrote:I'm also not sure how often to feed him. He's a little ole thing. Maybe an inch or inch and a half.

Once per day is fine, if you want to feed more often, it's best to set aside a head-sized amount in something like a pill box and only feed that amount over the day.
smithee1 wrote:
His shell looks great but I put a big rock in there for the basking area and I'm noticing some algae building up on it. What should I do?
He is in a 10 gallon tank with a 5-15 gallon filter. He also does get quite a bit of sunlight through the windows.

The direct sunlight will cause algae growth and due to the filtering of the glass, your turtle will receive no benefit from it. You can actually do more harm than good. Try to find a different place for the tank. Some algae is normal, I've got the brown type growing in my tank.
smithee1 wrote:Last but not least I'm still kind of unsure what kind of light bulb I need. I'd prefer to buy the kind that offers all of what he needs. Any suggestions?

The only dual-purpose bulb available is called an mercury vapor bulb, and you cannot use it unless you have a tank of 50 gallons or more. Right now, you'll need two bulbs or a larger tank! You'll be needing that 50 gallon before the next year or two anyways, so if you come across a deal, scoop it up. Until then, many of us have either ReptiSun or ReptiGlo compact fluorescent bulb 5.0 26W and I use a 60W household bulb for heat.

What is your setup like? That 10 gallon is already probably too small, so you'll want to get a bigger tank. Also, make sure you have a water heater. Without warmth, the turtle's metabolism will take a nose-dive and they'll basically starve to death. You want a water temp of around 80 for such a small turtle.

And most important: MANY MANY turtles, when purchased under 4", are sick already and frequently do die. Please be ready for any such illnesses or emotional strain on your child. You can get lucky, I did, my turtle ended up fine. But we have a lot of hatchlings on the board die. So keep a close watch on him, esp. for the first few months, make sure he's growing well and eating well and not lethargic at all. It has nothing to do with inexperience on your part (well, sometimes it does), but it is from the poor conditions the baby turtles are kept in.

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Post Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:21 pm   

Thanks Jax! More questions!
I think I've got the veggie info down but what do you mean by protein?
I'm pretty sure he's never had any of it.
As far as the rock, I'm not sure if it's o.k. to use it or not. It's perfect for it as far as size but do I need to be worried about how it get's green algea on it? The only thing I can think of is to take it out and scrub it with a scrub brush every once in a while?
Right now I'm working on getting one of the Reptibulbs but as of right now I have a regular 100w bulb above his tank. I do have a heater but I don't think it's that great. I'm constantly having to adjust it. I thought for some reason it would elevate it's self to stay at the temp you chose. So until a day or two ago scar seemed happy. Basking and swimming. I haven't noticed him basking for a day or two so I read up on it and it suggested the water is to warm. Not sure. I thought maybe the algea was preventing him to get on the rock but I don't think so.
Really? 10 gallon is already to small? He's just a baby! I guess I don't understand how to figure that out. I do think we have a fifty gallon tank. But I'm thinking then I'd have to find one of those floating docks. Any suggestions? Also what kind of filter would I have to get then?

I'm sure I'll have more ?'s soon! Thanks for your time!
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Post Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:49 pm   

ComputerGremlin, do you really need >50 gallons of water before you can use a mercury bulb? how come? I've seen it being used in smaller tanks and they seem fine... just curious!

Smithee, RES are big protein consumers when they are hatchlings. in addition to pellets, many RES owners give them treats (one a month MAX) such as small live fish, dried/freeze dried shrimps, krill, crickets, etc. pellets usually have as much protein as they need but turtles tend to strive with food variety.

algae is harmless. if you don't like it on your rock, simply take it out (like when you do water changes) and scrub it with a clean (turtle-designated) brush. have you seen Scar basking on it yet?

a thermometer is one of the best investments you can make. make sure that the water stays @ a consistent 78*-80* (since Scar is still a baby) and around 75* when he reaches about 4 inches. also, make sure the basking temp is right (about +10* water temp) by simply leaving a thermometer on the basking area for a bit.

trust us, a 10 gallon is way too small :(. THEY'RE MISLEADING, we know! I bought a 10 gallon when I first started RES keeping... what a mistake! RES need 10 gallons of water PER every inch of shell. a 10 gallon will only do you justice for the first couple of months. UNLESS you have no way of forking up $$ for a bigger tank or the space to accommodate it, I highly recommend starting off with a big tank. captive RES (within proper care/feeding) can grow up to 4-5" during the FIRST YEAR! as if that isn't enough, male RES can reach up to 8" while females can get up to 11". thats 80-110 gallons of water! :shock:

you can buy basking ramps/docks @ most pet stores. however, if you want to get crafty and build your own, heres a thread with a million great ideas: http://www.redearslider.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15260

when you upgrade to a bigger tank, I recommend a canister filter (rated for twice the amount of water). turtles produce a lot of waste so it works well keeping water safe and clean.
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Post Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:04 pm   

Thanks for the info! I did scrub it and it makes me feel a lot better! The canister type filter... Can you get that at walmart or will I have to go to a pet store. Sorry to sound silly be we live in rural rural Arkansas and the closest pet stores are at least a couple of hours away! What about me heater. I'm thinking it's just an old one, that's why I have to adjust it constantly. Recommend one of those? Tell me how to upload a pic on here and I can show ya the set up as of right now.
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Post Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:17 pm   

Smith-1 -- What is a 5-15 filter? How many gph does it pump? Remember what I said about the pet store mantra of comparing a fish filter to a turtle filter. Think in terms of gallons per hour (gph) and not some number that is up sized for a turtle. A turtle is a reptile and not a fish. They poo more and the gut bacteria is different. You need at least 5 times turn over of the volume in the tank - GPH!! m.
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Post Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:46 pm   

Finally I found the GPH! I have a Aqua-Tech 5-15 gallon filter that says it has 100 GPH. So... I'm not sure what that means now? That's good right? I just changed the water today because the algae bothered me on the rock so I cleaned the whole thing but the water was still pretty clear other than the algae covered rock! If anyone could tell me how to post a pic I'd be more than happy to do so and hear some suggestions!
Thanks!
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Post Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:03 pm   

smithee1 wrote:Thanks for the info! I did scrub it and it makes me feel a lot better! The canister type filter... Can you get that at walmart or will I have to go to a pet store.

I just got a great canister filter on ebay (fluval FX5). They had others also and it came in five days. It was also 40% less then the pet store. I would start with the 50 gallon so you don't have to worry about the tank for a while.
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Post Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:00 am   

What is the gph of the fx5? I think it puts out about 800 to 900 gph which is a lot of flow. You may have to split up your suctions and discharge ends as the turbulance may be considerable. It is a great filter. m.
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Post Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:39 pm   

the discharge is split already. filled i think it does about 425gph. it is a decent amount of turbulence but it doesn't seem to bother chompy.

Sometimes chompy uses it as a stationary swimming machine.

Its amazing how clear the tank has stayed. I did notice the surface was a little dirty but I changed the discharge (towards the surface) and put in a little 10 gal filter that discharges like a small fountain above the waters surface and it is all clear now.
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Post Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 5:56 pm   

Just make sure that the suction end has a grate and your turtle does not get stuck in it. If your turtle has no problem with the tubulance you are ok. I think that your FX5 puts out more than 425 gallons per hour. Your water should be just fine. Good Luck! m
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Post Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:45 pm   

The suction end comes with a grate about the size of a bar of soap. It does a great job of pulling things in but the grating is way too fine to ever pull the turtle.

Your right about the gph, the box says 925 gph. It keeps the water soo clear. What a difference from the 55 gal mountain filter (plus a 20 and 10 gal little filters) i used to have in the 20 gal tank. I was changing the whole tank every 5 days. Much better now :)
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Post Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:52 pm   

Arisu wrote:ComputerGremlin, do you really need >50 gallons of water before you can use a mercury bulb? how come? I've seen it being used in smaller tanks and they seem fine... just curious!


Its best to have at least 50 or 55 gallons because an MVB could easily overheat a smaller tank.




The FX5 is great. my favorite part about mine is that the intake screen has 2 suction cups on it so it doesnt move. the dual outlet things are pretty cool too. made it easy to customize the flow in my 55gallon.
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