General Care Discussion :: 2 went to a happier place:( Anyone have exp. with Souther P

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Post Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:49 pm   2 went to a happier place:( Anyone have exp. with Souther P

So my uncle, who owns the absolute biggest RES I have ever seen, finally finished his 2500gal(guessing) turtle pond. It has a 5gallon bucket underground home made filtering system that is a true example of American ingenuity, a tiki hut style basking platform island(also homemade pics coming soon)that is just beautiful, a fully chain linked in fence with fencing on the top(we have several hawk families nearby) and it's buried 8 inches under the dirt around it. So his RES looked quite lonely in this big beautiful pond, so I decided to let my Mortus(RES male about 6 inches) and Myrtle(YBS female about 4.5 inches) check out the pond as well. We sat them in the grass near the pond facing away from it and they both immediately turned 180's and dove in the pond, Mortus went straight to my uncles big female, Bertha, and started doing his mating dance, Myrtle went straight for the potted semi-aquatic plants my uncle planted and started mowing at them. After seeing how happy they were and how much more room they had I felt bad about keeping them in a 110gal for so long, I thought it was enough, and according to almost every care sheet it was more than enough, but once you see your turtles swimming in a huge homemade pond you can tell how constrained a 110gal tank is on them. So I left them:( My uncle had been wanting my male for quite a while so I said if he would care for them both he could keep them, it really broke my heart, but he is walking distance from my house so I can still visit when I want to. Still though I miss the big clumsy things. I miss going home to find what they had destroyed in my tank this time, whether it be an upside down decoration, some well planted plants dug up and floating at the top, or holes dug in the sand all the way to the glass leaving it looking quite tacky. I miss having to watch out for little love bites as I dig around in the tank lol.

So after losing 10 or more inches of turtle friday evening, saturday morning I had to try to replace them. I went to my local independent fish store and low and behold they were selling turtle hatchlings for $24.99. Now it is illegal in my state to buy any turtle under 4 inches but apparently if you sign some form saying its for educational purposes your all good, like that agricultural purposes form you use to buy illegal fireworks lol. Now the sign said map turtles, but there were distinctly two species of turtle, normal map babies and babies with black shells and red stripes in the middle, with bellies too plain to be western painteds, so I googled on my phone and found they were southern painteds, I had never even heard of them much less seen one and I thought I had researched aquatic turtles pretty thoroughly, apparently they are native to my backyard and still I had never seen one. So I bought two after seeing their care was much the same as western painteds. First thing I noticed is they are much more interested in basking than RES babies and much better swimmers.

But to get to it, my question to you all is, does anyone have experience with this subspecies? Can give me a adult size estimate? Can tell me how to sex outside the normal RES ways? Any interesting facts about natural habitat? special needs? diet in the wild? Any help will be greatly appreciated. I still miss my biguns but i'm excited about my new arrivals!! :D :cry: :D :cry:
6'x18''x20''100g 1 4in RES male 1 2in YBS Female
3 baby Peninsula Cooters
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2 pictus cats
1 juvie bluegill
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10 ghost shrimp
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Post Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:46 am   

Very misleading title, I thought two turtles died, lol.
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Post Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:22 am   

sorry, guess I miss them too much :/
6'x18''x20''100g 1 4in RES male 1 2in YBS Female
3 baby Peninsula Cooters
2 Senegal Bichirs
2 pictus cats
1 juvie bluegill
30 swordtails and guppies
10 ghost shrimp
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Post Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:58 am   

Southern Painteds get to be 3-4inches as adults. They are very small turtle so i would say getting more then one is a very easy thing to do.

They require everything the same as res. All info is the same, wild,sexing, etc but their size. Also they are a very calm turtle and no fighting should occur between them.
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Post Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:50 pm   

Thanks a lot! That makes it a lot easier, I have already researched everything on RES. What is the Painted in your pic? Is that a southern as well? I read only southerns have the stripe down the back is that true?
6'x18''x20''100g 1 4in RES male 1 2in YBS Female
3 baby Peninsula Cooters
2 Senegal Bichirs
2 pictus cats
1 juvie bluegill
30 swordtails and guppies
10 ghost shrimp
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Post Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:41 am   

jay2487 wrote:Thanks a lot! That makes it a lot easier, I have already researched everything on RES. What is the Painted in your pic? Is that a southern as well? I read only southerns have the stripe down the back is that true?


That is Western/Eastern Hybrid Painted. That one looking more like a western painted. It depends on what you call stripe. I would call that on him just a line. he just happens to have a very bright line haha. They all have a small line going down their back. Southern has a nice thick stripe.

See here is western and southern together and you can see western has a line also.
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Post Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:48 pm   

Oh wow! Are those two the same age? I know the Southerns stay smaller but by that much?

I have noticed they were much more peaceful and less shy than my cooters are. I have had them less than a week and already they meet me at the side of the tank for feeding and take from my hand, which is convenient since the cooters are on a diet and the southerns are looking a little malnourished from the pet store. Makes spot feeding real easy.
6'x18''x20''100g 1 4in RES male 1 2in YBS Female
3 baby Peninsula Cooters
2 Senegal Bichirs
2 pictus cats
1 juvie bluegill
30 swordtails and guppies
10 ghost shrimp
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Post Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:32 pm   

Yep those two started out the same size but western passed that southern very fast. Even now my southern which i think is going on 3years old only measures 2.5inches.
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Post Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:21 am   

that is perfect! I cant believe I never heard of these before.
6'x18''x20''100g 1 4in RES male 1 2in YBS Female
3 baby Peninsula Cooters
2 Senegal Bichirs
2 pictus cats
1 juvie bluegill
30 swordtails and guppies
10 ghost shrimp
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Post Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:23 am   

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That is what I have right??
6'x18''x20''100g 1 4in RES male 1 2in YBS Female
3 baby Peninsula Cooters
2 Senegal Bichirs
2 pictus cats
1 juvie bluegill
30 swordtails and guppies
10 ghost shrimp
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Post Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:50 am   

Yes those are southern painted turtles
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Post Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:49 pm   

awesome, I might finally have a pair of turtles that can live their lives out in my tank instead of the pond. Thanks a lot for all the help
6'x18''x20''100g 1 4in RES male 1 2in YBS Female
3 baby Peninsula Cooters
2 Senegal Bichirs
2 pictus cats
1 juvie bluegill
30 swordtails and guppies
10 ghost shrimp
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