General Care Discussion :: AGGRESSIVE FEMALES PT II

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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:49 pm   AGGRESSIVE FEMALES PT II

A few months ago, I posted about an aggressive female in a 200 gallon pond with three female RES's, only one of which she harassed. Based on advice I got from the CA Turtle Club, I removed the "victim," who had injuries and adopted her out to the Turtle Club.

Shortly thereafter, the dominant female began going after the other two, one in particular (the one closest to her size). This time, there were a couple of differences:

1. It was ocassional, maybe a couple of times a day, and not constant.
2. The other turtles are more nimble and faster than her and get away without being bitten.
3. One turtle in particular seems to egg her on, rather than avoiding her by staying elsewhere in the pond.
4. They bask together in peace.

I guess I could go ahead and adopt out the aggressive female, but:

A. If I replace her with another one---a rescue that I would exchange her for---what is to say that the problem pops up again with either the new one being the aggressor, or one of the resident turtles deciding to exercize territoriality on the newbie? and

B. If I don't replace her, what is to say one of the resident females won't decide to pick on the other one?

In short, this might just be a chronic issue when keeping more than one RES (even all females, which I was assured would end my concerns a few years ago!). Perhaps my attitude should be that as long as nobody is getting injured, just let it be.

After all, we humans have to put up with obnoxious people, sometimes bullies, all the time, but we learn how to live with it, as long as it's just annoying and not dangerous. Any insights?
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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:53 pm   

As I recall, you had a space issue with the number of turtles you had in the pond before (and still might). Why would you even consider "trading" one RES for another (and put a new one into territory that is already established)?

Frankly, I offered advice on what to do before and would have bet money on what happened (new pecking order). The one will more or less continue to be territorial until the issue is somehow resolved.

You have no guarantees that A or B will not occur. These creatures operate on instinct.

I would not, however, adopt the attitude that everything is fine as long as no one gets injured and to let things just be. At least one is getting stressed by the situation, which at some point will most likely have an adverse effect on her health.
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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:59 pm   

Well, I can't expand the pond, so would your advice be to take out the aggressive one and just stick with two?
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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:23 pm   

Sticking with two is better than adding one to a potentially dangerous situation.
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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:44 pm   

Unfortunately, that seems to be the case. A 200 gallon pond may not be big enough for them.
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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:12 pm   

Oh well. I guess I have no choice. It's amazing how much space they need.
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Post Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:37 pm   

LKitsch wrote:Oh well. I guess I have no choice. It's amazing how much space they need.


That's the truth! I went thru something similar where I had a male/female in a tank together at one point and they were constantly picking at each other. The female would sometimes act cowardly, other times she would aggressively bite at the male & bit off one of his long fingernails. I finally had to give away the male.

I still have her and she is sweet as pie without another turtle in the tank with her! :)

I agree with Marisa, aggressive behavior is just an instinct.
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