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Post Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:45 pm   Water heater problems!!

As of right now I have a 25 gallon rubbermaid tub (both turtles are still about an inch long) and I'm going to upgrade to a 60 gallon tank within a few months, I am currently using a All Glass Aquarium water heater rated for 20 gallons. I have to say that its not very good, I set it to 78 degrees but it always go over by 8-10 degrees, so I set it at 70. During the day it maintains the water steady at 78-80 degrees but when I wake up at about 7 am, and since it is winter I measure the temp and the sticker both reads 72 degrees (during this time the water heater is still on). I don't think this water heater is strong enough or just not good.

I have read on this board that people like the Marine (spelling??/Brand??) Stealth heater, I was going to buy it but since I'm going to upgrade to a 60 gallon tank in the future, can I use it in my 25 gallon set up??
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Post Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:23 pm   

Yes, you can use it in your 25 gallon set up. You could even buy a heater rated for 60 gallons and use it in the 25 gallon tub, it just won't be on very long because it's powerful.
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Post Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 12:09 am   

The visitherm stealth heater is the best of the 5 or 6 I've tried. I did have a faulty one initially, but the second has been perfect! For a 60 gal, I'd recommend this one, or you could do a 150 @ each end.
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Post Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 12:12 am   

ok, thanks for the fast reply guys ^_^

I'll make sure to pick one up when I head out tomorrow.
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Post Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:18 pm   

One thing I have noticed is that the inexpensive glass tube submersible heaters that have temp settings vs. "+" or "-" is that they never seem to hold the temp number they are set at. You just have to play around with it to find your turtle's ideal setting on the heater & to experiment for a few days to get the temp. you want. They do a decent job once you figure out where you need to set it.

Currently I have a cheap glass tube heater that was fine for my old 55-gal tank (200W). The water was always very warm (almost too warm sometimes because it could go up to almost 82 degrees if I wanted it to). In my current new 90-gallon tank, the maximum temp I can get out of the 200W is 76F....! So once this heater burns out, I am going for a higher rated one (probably 250W) so that I have the option of setting it to a higher temp (just in case I ever need it). For now Sheba is very comfortable at 76F so no need for me to upgrade just yet.
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Post Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:45 pm   

oh, the problem with my old All Glass one was that during the day it would keep the temp steady at 78, but by night, since the room gets really cold the All glass would never be able to keep the water at 78, it would be on all night and only keep the temp at about 70.

I just bought a Stealth heater yesterday and I love it, it works really well, it always keeping the temp accurate to the setting.

You're so lucky to be able to have a 90 gallon tank industrial_girl_2000, the max size my parents allow me to get is 60 gallons, maybe if I beg them I could get it up to 70 gallons.
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Post Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:45 pm   

90 Gallons IMO, is one of the best sizes, since it's the largest common (not custom made) aquarium size that reaches 48 inches length. From 55-90 Gallon Tanks, the Length is pretty much the same (there are some 55 Gallons from 36 inch length), the only difference being the width and height, so it's the best bang for your buck, spacewise (unless your plan to tip your tank to the ceiling, or a small thin table).

For this reason, I myself chose a 90G, since I was tight on space in my home, one more foot and I wouldn't be able to store it.
After 90 Gallons, everything else tends to be really long in length, usually 72 inches long (there are a few 100 Gallon Tanks still at 48 inches, but pet shops generally don't sell 100 Gallons, they sell higher capacity tanks after 90G, or if they do, 48 inch length 100G is uncommon). 180, 230, 320 G tanks are mostly 72+ inches in length.

If you find tanks at comparable prices, or if length matters, consider telling your parents that 90G is the best 48 incher, there is virtually no difference in taking up space from the 60 Gallons you are to get later, though you may need a slightly sturdier stand.
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Post Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:35 pm   

oh, ok. I am going to tell them this for sure, thanks Pizza!!

Can I put the tank on the floor instead of a stand?? I have carpet. Since I was saving for a 60 gallon and since you said that 90 gallons are the same lengths I don't think I would be able to buy the stand and the 90 gallon tank at the same time, work + college = little pay T_T
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Post Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:22 am   

Wherever you end up putting the tank make sure it is stable. Water weighs something like 8lbs per gallon so you'll need something that can hold a lot of weight, if you're unsure you can opt for the floor, but make sure it is a well supported area :-)
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Post Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:33 am   

I had my 90 Gallon tank on the ground for the first week or two, until just a few days ago I finished my cheap, but sturdy stand. If you want to read about it, continue on (it's rather confusing, unless you can imagine things really well), otherwise, stop here, since your floor can most likely handle 600-700 pounds of water (75% full on a 90G), but make sure, what I did, is I went to the basement, or the floor under where I put my tank, and looked at how much support the floor had (more, shorter joints, the better).

I have one of those heavy-duty steel racks that you can usually find at Lowes, Home Depot, etc. (make sure that the capacity per shelf is at least 800 pounds, and one that measures your tank's dimensions), and put it together.

The dimensions on the shelves for my rack were 3 cm too short, so what I did, is found a wide, big flat piece of wood (I found one from an old table I don't use anymore, but you can buy one for under 5 dollars, just make sure it isnt too thin, or weak), and placed it on top of the shelf. The thickness of my wood (plywood I think it was), was about 2 cm, and it was wider and longer than the shelf by about 6 cm, all around, so it was a good fit.

I'm not sure if the rack itself can stand 800 pounds, but unless the company lied, it should. Anyways, what I did, is I took four of the many legs included in the rack, and assembled them along with one shelf to look like a table. Then I added one more shelf near the bottom, for more support to hold the legs together. Then I bought two small steel rods (or sticks, since they look more like sticks), cut them around to fit my needs, and bolted the cut up sticks along the legs, into criss-cross, X-like things, giving more support, and then I added two pieces of wood under the first shelf where I put the tank, and bolted them to the shelf, adding more support. And I also took four more legs from my rack, and bolted them in the middle, creating an 8-legged stand, then finally, laying the 8-legged stand onto a strong piece of flat metal (wood is fine, just make sure it is tough, since it has to withstand 8 legs pushing 900-1000 pounds down on it, considering a 90G tank weighs 140-150 pounds). I put in nuts and bolts, and screws where ever there was a free hole, since the more you have, the stronger the stand is.


It's hard to explain without a picture, but hopefully, you'll have a basic idea of what I just mumbled or something, I myself think what I just said is very confusing. I'll try to get a picture or two if I can find my camera, though I haven't seen it in weeks. I had an old steel rack, so I didn't need to buy one, though I saw one at my local Home Depot for around $ 100 Canadian, but stuff up here is inflated like mad, you could probably get one in the US for $ 40-70 USD. Or if you're not too good with tools and Do-it-yourself projects, you can keep it on the carpet until you find a suitable stand.

The one downside about not having a stand, which annoyed me (since the water got all nasty and stank up within one day, I had to change water every day or two), was that canister filters won't work, they need to be below the water level, below your aquarium by at least 20-24 inches, since a canister filter works on the siphoning principle, unless you have a good hang-on filter(s).
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Post Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:33 pm   

Oh, thank god you told me about the Canister filters not working unless it is below the water level, and yes, it was a little confusing but I think I have an idea.

I live in a 3 bed room apartment so I can only put the tank in my room. I used to have weight training equipment in one corner and all of it weighed about 500 lbs total, since I have that spot free I'm going to see if I can fit the 90 gallon tank there. All my local pet stores (including petco) have 90 gallons that look a lot longer then the 50-60 gallons, I found a 70 gallon that would fit in that corner but I don't feel as satisfied without the 90 gallons (I want whats best for my turtles). How much would a 90 gallon tank weigh when filled enough so that the turtles can't escape??
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Post Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:55 pm   

Well it depends on the size of my turtle. For little hatchlings, or just plain small turtles, you can fill the water up just so that the length of the turtle (from top to bottom of shell, maybe add one or two more inches, since they can extend their claws, and are fairly strong) can't escape. If you have more than one turtle, make sure that it is high enough so one turtle can't climb on top of the other and try to free itself. Of course you can fill it up a lot more, as long as you have a good cover (if you're making a cover over your basking area, which you should, make sure the screen has holes at least half an inch, or else UVB will get filtered out).

As for me, my largest turtle is about 11-12 inches, and it shares its home with a few other turtles, the largest of the other ones being around 8 inches, so you can imagine that I probably wouldn't have much water filled in. However I currently use a shabby screen cover, so it's all good. Well right The piece of screen cover is over the basking area (I'm going to make a better, permanent screen cover with a frame later), so they can't escape, and filled my 90G up to about 18 of the 24 inches of its height, 75% of the tank. Really, the water is fine about 65-70% filled, but I wanted to fill it up so that the spray bar on my canister filter would touch the water, making less noise when the water being shot out hits the tank water. 75% of my 90 Gallon aquarium was about 67-68 Gallons of water filled, the most you should ever need to fill it up to is 78-80 Gallons, for hatchlings of course.

The weight of my tank is about 150 pounds (a little less, 145ish), +75% filled in is about 560 pounds, but to be safe, I assumed the water weight was 600, so 750 pounds total.
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Post Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:19 pm   

Multiply the number of gallons of water you put in it by roughly 8.3 and add the weight of the tank alone to get the total weight.
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